Re: ROADMARKERS ON THE ROAD NOT TAKEN (LEIBNIZ VS MATERIALISM)

On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 6:21 PM, wrote: > Dr. Clough, so observation by this Observer, entails creation? This all > sort of runs along with Shrodingers (sp) Cats, and, and High Everetts' Many > Worlds, and so forth. Lenny Susslind at Stanford postulated huge amounts of > observers arising in the

Re: Leibniz's metaphysics is a model of the emerging global brain

On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Leibniz's metaphysics is a model of the emerging global brain > > The recent angst over government monitoring of private communications > may not so much be due to a dastardly 1984-type plot, but a sign that a > giant > global brain is emergin

Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr.

I think it is worth nothing the difference between active and passive attacks. Active attacks being those where traffic is modified inflight by the eavesdropper or where there is a specific target. If you are specifically targeted I agree with Telmo there is nothing you can do, as every operating

Leibniz's metaphysics is a model of the emerging global brain

Leibniz's metaphysics is a model of the emerging global brain The recent angst over government monitoring of private communications may not so much be due to a dastardly 1984-type plot, but a sign that a giant global brain is emerging all by itself, aided by the growth of world communications an

Re: ROADMARKERS ON THE ROAD NOT TAKEN (LEIBNIZ VS MATERIALISM)

Dr. Clough, so observation by this Observer, entails creation? This all sort of runs along with Shrodingers (sp) Cats, and, and High Everetts' Many Worlds, and so forth. Lenny Susslind at Stanford postulated huge amounts of observers arising in the universe, which he called Boltzmann Brains. It

Re: Fictionalism!

On 6/12/2013 2:57 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Jun 12, 2013, at 3:23 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 6/12/2013 11:57 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Jun 12, 2013, at 1:52 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 6/12/2013 2:20 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed,

Re: Dancing in the flames

Roger, remind me never to get you angry. Hitchens was a genuine good guy, but sometimes annoying. He did believe in freedom to think and choose, and like a lot of journalists, liked to gain attention. He was cynical, but so are many of us. Furthermore, he did do things that the political progr

Re: ROADMARKERS ON THE ROAD NOT TAKEN (LEIBNIZ VS MATERIALISM)

On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 3:34 PM, wrote: > Indeed, Dr. Marchal. But what comes to my mind would be (I suppose) to > create an equation and see if it can then become, somehow, energy, or > matter to thus, prove that the universe has a arithmatic basis. I > understand that Max Tegmark is enthusiatic

Re: Fictionalism!

On Jun 12, 2013, at 3:23 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 6/12/2013 11:57 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Jun 12, 2013, at 1:52 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 6/12/2013 2:20 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 11 Jun 2013, at 23:18, John Mikes wrote: > > L

Re: Dancing in the flames

You're a crackpot and have no business posting on this list and you contribute nothing of value. Please go away. On Wednesday, June 12, 2013 3:33:28 PM UTC-4, Roger Clough wrote: > > > Christopher Hichens made his name > Attacking our dear Savior. > By now he's dancing in the flames > Wi

Re: ROADMARKERS ON THE ROAD NOT TAKEN (LEIBNIZ VS MATERIALISM)

On 6/12/2013 1:34 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Physicalism is by itself a strong assumption, incompatible with a simple and elegant theory of mind (computer science/arithmetic). You say that from time to time, but when pressed it seems to just be that assuming fundamental matter is, assuming

Re: ROADMARKERS ON THE ROAD NOT TAKEN (LEIBNIZ VS MATERIALISM)

Indeed, Dr. Marchal. But what comes to my mind would be (I suppose) to create an equation and see if it can then become, somehow, energy, or matter to thus, prove that the universe has a arithmatic basis. I understand that Max Tegmark is enthusiatic on the cosmos being mathematical, as, is, Seth

Re: Fictionalism!

On 6/12/2013 11:57 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Jun 12, 2013, at 1:52 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 6/12/2013 2:20 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Bruno Marchalmailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > >On 11 Jun 2013, at 23:18, John Mikes wrote: >

Dancing in the flames

Christopher Hichens made his name Attacking our dear Savior. By now he's dancing in the flames With Logic, that cute Devil's whore. Dr. Roger Clough NIST (ret.) 6/12/2013 See my Leibniz site at http://team.academia.edu/RogerClough -- You received this message because you are subscribed t

Re: Fictionalism!

On 6/12/2013 5:42 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: This is the documentary mentioned Flying wales at 1:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLRijkhDqRU my pleasure I've flown over Wales. :-) Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" gro

Re: ROADMARKERS ON THE ROAD NOT TAKEN (LEIBNIZ VS MATERIALISM)

On 6/12/2013 3:31 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Please allow my incipid observation. Rather then invoke non-material monads, let us, for arguments sake, assume that thought is a neurochemical phenomena, and that without this neurochemical phenomena, there is no thought. Similarly, mathematics as

Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr.

There's still a free version of PGP available as GnuGP. But people generally don't want the inconvenience of dealing with encryption. On 6/12/2013 3:16 AM, Roger Clough wrote: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. These days it seems that you need to prote

Re: Fictionalism!

On Jun 12, 2013, at 1:52 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 6/12/2013 2:20 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 11 Jun 2013, at 23:18, John Mikes wrote: > > Laughing stock: how can so many excellently educted and smart(est) > scientists SERIOUSLY deba

Re: Fictionalism!

On 6/12/2013 2:20 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >On 11 Jun 2013, at 23:18, John Mikes wrote: > >Laughing stock: how can so many excellently educted and smart(est) >scientists SERIOUSLY debate on farces like flying pink elephants? > > > >Those

Re: Fictionalism!

On 6/12/2013 1:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Arithmetic is large, and I do not know of any theorem in math which is not a theorem in arithmetic, except in mathematical logic, and universal algebra, which are typically "meta-"mathematics. What about theorems in calculus and topology? Brent -- Y

Re: Fictionalism!

On 12 Jun 2013, at 14:15, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Jun 2013, at 11:20, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jun 2013, at 23:18, John Mikes wrote: Laughing stock: how can so many exc

Re: ROADMARKERS ON THE ROAD NOT TAKEN (LEIBNIZ VS MATERIALISM)

On 12 Jun 2013, at 12:31, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Please allow my incipid observation. Rather then invoke non-material monads, let us, for arguments sake, assume that thought is a neurochemical phenomena, and that without this neurochemical phenomena, there is no thought. Similarly, math

Re: Fictionalism!

This one more informative and without annoying music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p3m32AUwUM 2013/6/12 Alberto G. Corona > This is the documentary mentioned > > Flying wales at 1:30 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLRijkhDqRU > > my pleasure > > > 2013/6/12 Telmo Menezes > >> On Wed, J

Re: Fictionalism!

This is the documentary mentioned Flying wales at 1:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLRijkhDqRU my pleasure 2013/6/12 Telmo Menezes > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 12 Jun 2013, at 11:20, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Br

Re: Fictionalism!

On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 12 Jun 2013, at 11:20, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 11 Jun 2013, at 23:18, John Mikes wrote: >>> >>> Laughing stock: how can so many excellently educted and smart(est)

Re: How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr.

Hi Roger, Unfortunately this kind of system cannot protect you from the recently leaked mass surveillance systems. This guy explains why quite well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ftfEXxFC4Q&feature=youtu.be&t=28m53s On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > How to protect your

Re: Fictionalism!

On 12 Jun 2013, at 11:20, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jun 2013, at 23:18, John Mikes wrote: Laughing stock: how can so many excellently educted and smart(est) scientists SERIOUSLY debate on farces like flying pink elephants? Those ar

Re: ROADMARKERS ON THE ROAD NOT TAKEN (LEIBNIZ VS MATERIALISM)

Please allow my incipid observation. Rather then invoke non-material monads, let us, for arguments sake, assume that thought is a neurochemical phenomena, and that without this neurochemical phenomena, there is no thought. Similarly, mathematics as a phenomena, doesn't exist without a human pri

How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr.

How to protect your computer from spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. These days it seems that you need to protect yourself from more than commercial vendors, namely spying by the IRS and Eric H. Holder, Jr. Snowden, the man who recently exposed the NSA activities, says he can from his desk

Re: Fictionalism!

On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 11 Jun 2013, at 23:18, John Mikes wrote: > > Laughing stock: how can so many excellently educted and smart(est) > scientists SERIOUSLY debate on farces like flying pink elephants? > > > > Those are test cases, extreme case, to argue mor

Re: Fictionalism!

On 11 Jun 2013, at 23:18, John Mikes wrote: Laughing stock: how can so many excellently educted and smart(est) scientists SERIOUSLY debate on farces like flying pink elephants? Those are test cases, extreme case, to argue more easily on the question of existence, which is not obvious. Of

Re: Fictionalism!

On 11 Jun 2013, at 19:04, Jason Resch wrote: From the video: "What we do is we use the story of math, which is very good and very complete" I think that summarizes the error of fictionalism. To believe math is a human created invention requires believing that everything we can ever know

Re: Fictionalism!

On 11 Jun 2013, at 18:32, meekerdb wrote: On 6/11/2013 1:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Jun 2013, at 22:49, meekerdb wrote: On 6/10/2013 1:06 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote: So numbers do not exist? They don't exist like elephants do. They may exist like Christmas or Sherlock Homes do

Re: Fictionalism!

On 11 Jun 2013, at 18:28, meekerdb wrote: On 6/11/2013 12:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Jun 2013, at 20:04, meekerdb wrote: Not one you can prove from arithmetic or logic. But the point was that true propositions, like "Flying pink elephants are pink" don't imply the existence