Re: The Dalai Lama's Ski Trip

2014-03-13 Thread Kim Jones
The other thing that occurs to me concerning happiness is that many feel that happiness is something bigger than or more important than a simple feeling or emotion. To say that smoking cannabis makes you happy will almost certainly cause some to react that I am trivialising happiness. Nothing

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

2014-03-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
It seems to me that you're just attacking a straw men... it's obvious in multivalued outcome, that probability doesn't mean only one outcome arise out of many... so as I said previously if that's what you mean and attacking us for, it's bad faith on your side. Quentin 2014-03-13 1:18 GMT+01:00

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-13 Thread spudboy100
Yes, I realize you are opposed to GMO, I acknowledge that you are confident of the climate alarmists, yes, you concede that some Red-Greens (there are none others) oppose nuclear fission, you would say some of them, and I will claim nearly all. You write of solar as if it now at hand, to

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-03-13 11:45 GMT+01:00 spudboy...@aol.com: Yes, I realize you are opposed to GMO, I realize you can't read... I'm quoting him: for example ***I*** have no patience with ***the view*** *(not his)* (all too common among those on the left) that GMOs are a dangerous health risk since *all

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-13 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:45 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Yes, I realize you are opposed to GMO, You really have no reading comprehension! My whole point was that I have NO OBJECTION to GMOs. I said I have no patience with the view (all too common among those on the left) that GMOs are a

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-13 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: because before you initiate a policy that will impoverish the world for many generations and kill lots and lots and lots of people What policies are you talking about that would have these supposed effects?

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-13 Thread spudboy100
http://cleantechnica.com/2012/09/11/why-thorium-nuclear-isnt-featured-on-cleantechnica/ http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/campaigns/nuclear/ https://www.facebook.com/GreensAgainstNuclear http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/20216b54-8f53-11e3-9cb0-00144feab7de.html

Re: truth of experience

2014-03-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Mar 2014, at 21:14, meekerdb wrote: On 3/12/2014 8:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hello Terren, On 12 Mar 2014, at 04:34, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi Bruno, Thanks, that helps. Can you expand a bit on t? Unfortunately I haven't had the time to follow the modal logic threads, so please

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-13 Thread spudboy100
I have little, issue, with Lazer's Green point of view. But, like you have stated, John, one must address certain political and tech issues to work for a fix. The proggies don't wish to address this for reasons that appear, to me, malicious. We'd need to be able to replace dirty energy with

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-13 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: 66 million years ago 2/3 of all species, not individual animals but entire species, became extinct quite literally overnight, and 252 million years ago it was even worse, the extinction rate was 90%. What we're

Re: truth of experience

2014-03-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Mar 2014, at 21:51, LizR wrote: On 13 March 2014 04:33, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hello Terren, On 12 Mar 2014, at 04:34, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi Bruno, Thanks, that helps. Can you expand a bit on t? Unfortunately I haven't had the time to follow the modal logic

Re: Tegmark and UDA step 3

2014-03-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Mar 2014, at 20:31, Gabriel Bodeen wrote: On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:38:23 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: OK. Me too. But modern physics has a strong mathematical flavor, and consciousness seems more to be an immaterial belief or knowledge than something made of particles, so, if

Re: truth of experience

2014-03-13 Thread meekerdb
On 3/13/2014 8:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Mar 2014, at 21:14, meekerdb wrote: On 3/12/2014 8:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hello Terren, On 12 Mar 2014, at 04:34, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi Bruno, Thanks, that helps. Can you expand a bit on t? Unfortunately I haven't had the time to

Re: truth of experience

2014-03-13 Thread meekerdb
On 3/13/2014 8:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Mar 2014, at 21:51, LizR wrote: On 13 March 2014 04:33, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hello Terren, On 12 Mar 2014, at 04:34, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi Bruno, Thanks, that helps. Can you

Re: The Dalai Lama's Ski Trip

2014-03-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Mar 2014, at 09:19, Kim Jones wrote: The other thing that occurs to me concerning happiness is that many feel that happiness is something bigger than or more important than a simple feeling or emotion. To say that smoking cannabis makes you happy will almost certainly cause some to

Re: truth of experience

2014-03-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Mar 2014, at 17:56, meekerdb wrote: On 3/13/2014 8:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Mar 2014, at 21:14, meekerdb wrote: On 3/12/2014 8:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hello Terren, On 12 Mar 2014, at 04:34, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi Bruno, Thanks, that helps. Can you expand a bit on

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-13 Thread spudboy100
I realize that your comment does nothing to enhance your ideology, nor, enforce conformity to a Green/Red worldview. The discussion is not about problem solving, but about enforcement of the ideology. Plus, I do find long written dissertations tiresome for the forum. Brevity is always

Re: truth of experience

2014-03-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Mar 2014, at 18:03, meekerdb wrote: On 3/13/2014 8:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Mar 2014, at 21:51, LizR wrote: On 13 March 2014 04:33, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hello Terren, On 12 Mar 2014, at 04:34, Terren Suydam wrote: Hi Bruno, Thanks, that helps. Can you

Re: truth of experience

2014-03-13 Thread meekerdb
On 3/13/2014 11:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Mar 2014, at 18:03, meekerdb wrote: On 3/13/2014 8:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Mar 2014, at 21:51, LizR wrote: On 13 March 2014 04:33, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hello Terren, On 12 Mar

Re: truth of experience

2014-03-13 Thread LizR
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Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-13 Thread LizR
Interesting! I see the first article has been rebutted... http://energyfromthorium.com/ieer-rebuttal/ ...personally I am in favour of safe nuclear, assuming it is in fact safe. The problem being that when it wasn't, it was used a lot, so it's got a very bad rep. On 14 March 2014 04:16,

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-13 Thread spudboy100
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Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-13 Thread LizR
On 14 March 2014 12:54, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Please note, the way to either techs success is not through energy starvation, nor abandoning the world to poverty. I hope nobody in their right mind is actually advocating this. I'd like to live a long time and visit other stars, not live

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-13 Thread ghibbsa
On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:56:04 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 2:17 PM, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I think on the scale of 4 billion years the sort of margin we're talking about is that necessary to keep water liquid on the surface. At least twice

Re: truth of experience

2014-03-13 Thread Russell Standish
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:10:45AM +1300, LizR wrote: (Do everyone see a lozenge here: ◊ ?) Yes I do! Not me (alas). Although it is visible when typing my response. Cheers -- Prof Russell Standish

Quick video about materialism

2014-03-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH2QXQu-HGE A brief, handy rebuttal to materialistic views of consciousness. I would go further, and say that information, even though it is immaterial in its conception, is still derived from the principles of object interaction. Even when forms and functions

Re: truth of experience

2014-03-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Mar 2014, at 20:05, meekerdb wrote: On 3/13/2014 11:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Mar 2014, at 18:03, meekerdb wrote: On 3/13/2014 8:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Mar 2014, at 21:51, LizR wrote: On 13 March 2014 04:33, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hello Terren,

Re: truth of experience

2014-03-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Mar 2014, at 22:10, LizR wrote: (Do everyone see a lozenge here: ◊ ?) Yes I do! Nice, I hope everyone see it. Does someone not see a lozenge? Here: ◊ Do someone not see Gödel's second theorem here: ◊t - ~[]◊t ? Bruno -- You received this message because you are

Re: truth of experience

2014-03-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Mar 2014, at 01:49, Russell Standish wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:10:45AM +1300, LizR wrote: (Do everyone see a lozenge here: ◊ ?) Yes I do! Not me (alas). Damned. I will need to use the more ugly instead of the cute ◊ ! No problem. Bruno Although it is visible when

Re: truth of experience

2014-03-13 Thread meekerdb
On 3/13/2014 9:54 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: which was my objection to writing t. In such a formula, t can only be regarded as shorthand for some tautology. If you want. Any simple provable proposition would do. Then f also occurs in every world since (p ~p) can be formed in every world. But

Re: truth of experience

2014-03-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Mar 2014, at 06:08, meekerdb wrote: On 3/13/2014 9:54 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: which was my objection to writing t. In such a formula, t can only be regarded as shorthand for some tautology. If you want. Any simple provable proposition would do. Then f also occurs in every world