Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-20 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 10:20:25AM -0400, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 7:55 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: OK fine, but can you find the exact solutions to differential equations better than Mathematica? I don't think so. Not me personally, but the

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-20 Thread Kim Jones
On 20 Jun 2014, at 4:40 pm, John Clark wrote: Creativity is a subjective judgement made by a observer of a task performed by somebody else, it is not inherent in the task itself. So what. If the outcome of the task is the creation of new value then it's been a creative act to bring about

Re: Solar power's bright future

2014-06-20 Thread LizR
Five months is still quite a time to have heavy nuclei cutting up your DNA. Other suggestions include drugs which boost the body's repair mechanisms, drinking water and human waste as shielding (hmm, where did the glamour of space exploration go?), and the wonderful idea of charging the

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-20 Thread Kim Jones
On 20 Jun 2014, at 3:06 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: I would always call coming up with something that was difficult (or complex) and novel and interesting creative. That's not creative - that's innovative. Let's get this sorted out now. Innovation is not the same

Dust, damned dust!

2014-06-20 Thread Kim Jones
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/20/science/space/scientists-debate-gravity-wave-detection-claim.html Damn. Kim Jones B. Mus. GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au kmjco...@icloud.com Mobile: 0450 963 719 Phone: 02 93894239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com Never let

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-20 Thread Kim Jones
On 20 Jun 2014, at 3:21 am, Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com wrote: As someone who can juggle 5 balls, I would say there really is very little, if any, creativity involved. It's purely training of muscle memory over hundreds/thousands of repetitions. I'm not even sure how

RE: Solar power's bright future

2014-06-20 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 2:39 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Solar power's bright future Five months is still quite a time to have heavy nuclei cutting up your

Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-20 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 2:40 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: to my knowledge, not one new DE solution has been found by Mathematica. To my knowledge, not one new DE solution has not been incorporated into Mathematica. it's database is upgraded by the solutions being found

Re: Solar power's bright future [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Jun 2014, at 07:27, meekerdb wrote: On 6/17/2014 9:36 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: Pretty neat trick.. using quantum coherence to allow energy from captured sunlight to get to the algae's photosynthesis reaction centers as fast as possible. Quantum biology:

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-20 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: And in the MWI how will YOU know if the 0.5 prediction was correct? And in the comp experiment how will YOU know [...] Just like Bruno Quentin Anciaux is incapable of expressing Quentin Anciaux's ideas without

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-20 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:53 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: So if you ask Helsinki-man what he expects to see when he steps out of the matter transmitter At that point its no longer the Helsinki Man, the things seen after he steps out of the matter transmitter booth will transform the

Re: Solar power's bright future [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-20 Thread John Mikes
They ARE black! Our eyes err. - Without joke: how about those plants that are not green? do they have a chlorophyl variation that is not green? or a different photosynth-mechsm? JM On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:15 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I have long thought that plants should be black,

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 May 2014, at 05:33, Samiya Illias wrote: On 28-May-2014, at 10:12 pm, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Ok, so let's talk some specifics. Islamists issued death sentences on people for artistic expression. Famously on Salman Rushdie for writing a book, and several

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-20 Thread John Mikes
Dear Bruno, it is wasted time and effort to argue who is right in a question that raises 2 billion children in a 'faith' they will live by - AND such 'faith' does include the killing of 'infidels' (meaning: who do not share their faith to the last comma) and many more peculiarities which our

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
You're so full of it... well I won't enter with you again on this debate... I've waited too much years... so ok. Byebye 2014-06-20 21:28 GMT+02:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: And in the MWI how will YOU know

Re: Dust, damned dust!

2014-06-20 Thread LizR
No need to damn quite yet :-) Independent measurements are needed, from Planck etc - better measurements, now they know what they're looking for - more analysis ... whatever the outcome, it's all advancing our knowledge. On 20 June 2014 22:50, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:

Re: Dust, damned dust!

2014-06-20 Thread Kim Jones
On 21 Jun 2014, at 8:26 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: No need to damn quite yet :-) Independent measurements are needed, from Planck etc - better measurements, now they know what they're looking for - more analysis ... whatever the outcome, it's all advancing our knowledge.

Re: Solar power's bright future

2014-06-20 Thread LizR
That raptor rocket surely doesn't have *much* higher delta V than, say, the Saturn 5? No chemical reaction is going to be that much more efficient, no matter that you turn it into a superheated flying bomb. Surely for human exploration beyond the Moon you really need (a) a moon base, (b) and

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-20 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 2:11 PM Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back! On 29 May 2014, at 05:33, Samiya Illias wrote: On 28-May-2014, at 10:12 pm, Telmo Menezes

Re: Dust, damned dust!

2014-06-20 Thread LizR
On 21 June 2014 11:24, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 21 Jun 2014, at 8:26 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: No need to damn quite yet :-) Independent measurements are needed, from Planck etc - better measurements, now they know what they're looking for - more analysis ...

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-20 Thread LizR
On 21 June 2014 07:45, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:53 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: So if you ask Helsinki-man what he expects to see when he steps out of the matter transmitter At that point its no longer the Helsinki Man, the things seen after

Re: Solar power's bright future

2014-06-20 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 6:10 PM Subject: Re: Solar power's bright future That raptor rocket surely doesn't have much higher delta V than, say, the Saturn 5? No chemical reaction is

RE: Solar power's bright future [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-20 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Mikes Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 1:52 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Solar power's bright future [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-20 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: I won't enter with you again on this debate Coward. Byebye Byebye John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-20 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 9:14 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: that doesn't actually alter the logic of the argument, which is only concerned with what he reports in his diary. He? 3 people are keeping a diary, one writes I'm still here in Helsinki and nothing has happened, maybe the

At last, a working time machine :-)

2014-06-20 Thread LizR
I don't know why we didn't think of this years ago! Wait a minute...is that a wave of chronotic instability I feel? Well, here's some old news. We did this years ago. http://arxiv.org/abs/1310.7985 This is apparently the explanation for thickos like me... http://arxiv.org/abs/1310.7983 --