RE: Atheist

2014-07-25 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 6:11 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Atheist On 25 July 2014 12:48, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List

Re: Atheist

2014-07-25 Thread LizR
I agree to an extent, but this sort of argument tends to drift towards tautology. Whatever survives survives, and hence has survival value in some sense. But a meme that turns someone into a suicide bomber or celibate monk probably doesn't have much survival value for that person. My feeling is

Re: Atheist

2014-07-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Alberto, On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:21 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: Cultural determism is incompatible with natural selection. That was plainly demonstrated by Symons in his book The evolution of human sexuality ,but it is common sense among evolutionists of any kind.

Re: Atheist

2014-07-25 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Memes cannot survive without a human brain. We are their vehicle, but are the our effluent, or our children? -Original Message- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Jul 25, 2014 3:47 am Subject: Re: Atheist I agree to an extent,

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Jul 2014, at 21:21, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 22 Jul 2014, at 20:18, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:56:26 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: PGC, I am not being critical of Bruno. I just do not

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Jul 2014, at 04:32, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 2:36:24 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Jul 2014, at 20:18, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:56:26 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: PGC, I am not being critical of Bruno. I just do not understand

Re: Gödel of the Gaps

2014-07-25 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 23 Jul 2014, at 21:21, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 22 Jul 2014, at 20:18, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 1:56:26 PM

Re: It Knows That It Knows

2014-07-25 Thread David Nyman
On 24 July 2014 22:18, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: To put it another way, there is nobody present for whom it could represent a difference. It still exist, or the difference 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ... will need itself a knower to make sense. But with comp, we don't need more than

Re: [New post] Why Probability in Quantum Mechanics is Given by the Wave Function Squared

2014-07-25 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Thanks for posting, Brent. Fine topics to dig into when one takes the time. And if we never take the time for these things, how can we ever expect to derive proper energetic eigenvalues for hydrogen like stuff in the wave we're surfing on, independent of distracting deadlines? The hard answer

Re: It Knows That It Knows

2014-07-25 Thread David Nyman
On 24 July 2014 22:44, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: So I think you just saying I am missing the qualia - but that's the part that I think it is unreasonable to ask for an explanation of. In what terms can it be explained - I'd say none. And I don't think your explanation in terms of

RE: Atheist

2014-07-25 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 12:48 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Atheist I agree to an extent, but this sort of argument tends to drift towards tautology. Whatever

Re: [New post] Why Probability in Quantum Mechanics is Given by the Wave Function Squared

2014-07-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Jul 2014, at 19:40, meekerdb wrote: This may clarify (or provoke) discussion of Moscow vs. Washington. It's interesting that Carroll and Sebens use FPI and Sean says it increases his confidence in Everett's MWI. But in his penultimate paragraph he essentially lays out an

Re: [New post] Why Probability in Quantum Mechanics is Given by the Wave Function Squared

2014-07-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Jul 2014, at 20:24, meekerdb wrote: On 7/24/2014 11:09 AM, David Nyman wrote: On 24 July 2014 18:40, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: This may clarify (or provoke) discussion of Moscow vs. Washington. It's interesting that Carroll and Sebens use FPI and Sean says it increases

Re: It Knows That It Knows

2014-07-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Jul 2014, at 23:44, meekerdb wrote: On 7/24/2014 1:37 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Jul 2014, at 20:35, meekerdb wrote: On 7/23/2014 10:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Jul 2014, at 18:14, meekerdb wrote: On 7/22/2014 12:08 AM, Kim Jones wrote: On 22 Jul 2014, at 2:55 am,

Re: CTM and the UDA (again!)

2014-07-25 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: HI Jesse, David, On 23 Jul 2014, at 18:49, Jesse Mazer wrote: Had some trouble following your post (in part because I don't know all the acronyms), but are you talking about the basic problem of deciding which