Re: Dreamless Sleep?

2017-12-01 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/1/2017 6:35 PM, David Nyman wrote: I think it likely that ability in humans co-evolved with the development of language.  Did you ever read Julian Jaynes "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind"? You betcha! A paradigm shifter if ever I read

Re: Dreamless Sleep?

2017-12-01 Thread David Nyman
On 2 Dec 2017 01:57, "Brent Meeker" wrote: On 12/1/2017 5:21 PM, David Nyman wrote: On 2 December 2017 at 00:58, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/1/2017 4:46 PM, David Nyman wrote: > > On 2 December 2017 at 00:06, Brent Meeker

Re: Dreamless Sleep?

2017-12-01 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/1/2017 5:21 PM, David Nyman wrote: On 2 December 2017 at 00:58, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 12/1/2017 4:46 PM, David Nyman wrote: On 2 December 2017 at 00:06, Brent Meeker

Re: Dreamless Sleep?

2017-12-01 Thread David Nyman
On 2 December 2017 at 00:58, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/1/2017 4:46 PM, David Nyman wrote: > > On 2 December 2017 at 00:06, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/1/2017 3:48 PM, David Nyman wrote: >> >> >> Another aspect of this is that if, in

Re: US vs North Korea

2017-12-01 Thread Russell Standish
On Fri, Dec 01, 2017 at 03:38:39PM -0800, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 10:54:59 PM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > > > > Le 1 déc. 2017 23:02, a écrit : > > > > > > What does "everything" mean? AG > > > > > > Theory of

Re: Dreamless Sleep?

2017-12-01 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/1/2017 4:46 PM, David Nyman wrote: On 2 December 2017 at 00:06, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 12/1/2017 3:48 PM, David Nyman wrote: Another aspect of this is that if, in imagination, you progressively reduce the duration of

Re: Dreamless Sleep?

2017-12-01 Thread David Nyman
On 2 December 2017 at 00:06, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/1/2017 3:48 PM, David Nyman wrote: > > > Another aspect of this is that if, in imagination, you progressively > reduce the duration of your effective short term memory, at some point you > will intuit that you

Re: Dreamless Sleep?

2017-12-01 Thread Brent Meeker
On 12/1/2017 3:48 PM, David Nyman wrote: Another aspect of this is that if, in imagination, you progressively reduce the duration of your effective short term memory, at some point you will intuit that you have become effectively 'unconscious', or at least un-self-conscious, as you will be

Re: Dreamless Sleep?

2017-12-01 Thread David Nyman
On 1 December 2017 at 17:45, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 28 Nov 2017, at 01:28, David Nyman wrote: > > https://www.sciencealert.com/your-consciousness-does-not-swi > tch-off-during-a-dreamless-sleep-say-scientists > > > > > > > Wonderful! Thanks! It confirms Mechanism, both

Re: US vs North Korea

2017-12-01 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 10:54:59 PM UTC, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le 1 déc. 2017 23:02, a écrit : > > > > On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 8:58:13 PM UTC, Kim Jones wrote: >> >> This is completely off-topic for this list. There are gazillions of >> discussions

Re: US vs North Korea

2017-12-01 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le 1 déc. 2017 23:02, a écrit : On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 8:58:13 PM UTC, Kim Jones wrote: > > This is completely off-topic for this list. There are gazillions of > discussions going on about this elswhere > > Kim Jones > What does "everything" mean? AG Theory

Re: US vs North Korea

2017-12-01 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Think THAAD and AEGIS or as I call them, THAAD and Jeremy -Original Message- From: agrayson2000 To: Everything List Sent: Thu, Nov 30, 2017 8:51 pm Subject: US vs North Korea Insights welcome as to how this situation will

Re: US vs North Korea

2017-12-01 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 8:58:13 PM UTC, Kim Jones wrote: > > This is completely off-topic for this list. There are gazillions of > discussions going on about this elswhere > > Kim Jones > What does "everything" mean? AG > > > > On 1 Dec 2017, at 10:05 pm, Lawrence Crowell

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

2017-12-01 Thread agrayson2000
On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 4:55:46 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 29 Nov 2017, at 22:55, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 9:14:48 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 8:44:18 PM UTC,

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

2017-12-01 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 9:05:21 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 10:40:36 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On 30/11/2017 5:31 am, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 10:59 PM, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > > ​ >​ > ​I

Re: US vs North Korea

2017-12-01 Thread Kim Jones
This is completely off-topic for this list. There are gazillions of discussions going on about this elswhere Kim Jones > On 1 Dec 2017, at 10:05 pm, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > Everything is easy to predict except the future. The one thing I hope is

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-01 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 11/30/2017 11:45 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 4:16 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 11/30/2017 10:30 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: To go further: not so

Re: Dreamless Sleep?

2017-12-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Nov 2017, at 01:28, David Nyman wrote: https://www.sciencealert.com/your-consciousness-does-not-switch-off-during-a-dreamless-sleep-say-scientists Wonderful! Thanks! It confirms Mechanism, both the one of Descartes and the "theology" of the machine. And the salvia plant! I have

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

2017-12-01 Thread Brent Meeker
On 11/30/2017 11:45 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 4:16 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 11/30/2017 10:30 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: To go further: not so long ago, most people would freely defend that the lives of people from their ethnicity are more

Re: US vs North Korea

2017-12-01 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 3:43:51 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 11:05:32 AM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> Everything is easy to predict except the future. The one thing I hope is >> this science and physics list does not become laden with

Re: US vs North Korea

2017-12-01 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 11:05:32 AM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > Everything is easy to predict except the future. The one thing I hope is > this science and physics list does not become laden with politics. I will > say though that with the sociopathic presidents or leaders of the

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

2017-12-01 Thread 'scerir' via Everything List
Weinberg looked into nonlinear QM, and it went nowhere. The linearity of QM is one thing that makes it so bizarre. If you make QM nonlinear you tend to make it obey Bell inequalities. LC --- N. Gisin, Weinberg Non-linear Quantum-mechanics and Supraluminal Communications, Phys.

Re: Quantum Supremacy

2017-12-01 Thread Lawrence Crowell
Bitcoins are used a lot by organized criminals. The block chain system is ideal for moving dirty money. It is a part of this disturbing trend of criminal power rising up. Trump made his money laundering dirty money through real estate. Last year 70% of his real estate transactions occurred

Re: US vs North Korea

2017-12-01 Thread Lawrence Crowell
Everything is easy to predict except the future. The one thing I hope is this science and physics list does not become laden with politics. I will say though that with the sociopathic presidents or leaders of the United States and N. Korea the outcome is likely to range from bad to disastrous.

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

2017-12-01 Thread Lawrence Crowell
The GHZ state is a four state entanglement. The symmetry is a bit more complicated. The entanglement is a quotient state and a typical form is G/H = SO(8)/SO(4)xSO(4) in 16 dimensions. This in a rule of thumb way captures the 2^4 possible state configurations. The GHZ state then gives a

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

2017-12-01 Thread 'scerir' via Everything List
BTW, how is this [1] [2] intensionality, or contextuality, or wholeness, or undecidibility, or whatever - and related difficulties regarding the existence of "elements of reality" [3] - understandable within (postulates of) Quantum Mechanics (and especially within ontological interpretations

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

2017-12-01 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 9:05:21 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 10:40:36 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On 30/11/2017 5:31 am, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 10:59 PM, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > > ​ >​ > ​I

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

2017-12-01 Thread agrayson2000
On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 10:40:36 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On 30/11/2017 5:31 am, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 10:59 PM, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > > ​ >​ > ​I see no reason all the Everett worlds have the same physics, > > > ​ > ​ >