Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 12:19 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 11/29/2023 8:21 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 9:57 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 11/29/2023 4:58 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 7:17 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Nov

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On 11/29/2023 8:21 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 9:57 PM Brent Meeker wrote: On 11/29/2023 4:58 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 7:17 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:49 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote:

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 10:45 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 12:46 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 8:39 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 11:59 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 7:17 PM Bruce Kellett wrote:

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 9:57 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 11/29/2023 4:58 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 7:17 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:49 PM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 12:34, Bruce Kellett >>> wrote: >>>

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 12:46 PM Jason Resch wrote: > On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 8:39 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 11:59 AM Jason Resch >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 7:17 PM Bruce Kellett >>> wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:49 PM Stathis Papaioannou <

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On 11/29/2023 5:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 8:39 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 11:59 AM Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 7:17 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:49 PM Stathis Papaioannou

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On 11/29/2023 4:58 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 7:17 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:49 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 12:34, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 12:02 PM Stathis

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 8:39 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 11:59 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 7:17 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:49 PM Stathis Papaioannou >>> wrote: >>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 12:34, Bruce Kellett

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 12:34 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > On 11/29/2023 4:17 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:49 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 12:34, Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 12:02 PM Stathis Papaioannou >>>

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 8:34 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 11/29/2023 4:17 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:49 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 12:34, Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 12:02 PM Stathis Papaioannou >>>

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 11:59 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 7:17 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:49 PM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 12:34, Bruce Kellett >>> wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 12:02 PM Stathis

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On 11/29/2023 4:17 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:49 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 12:34, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 12:02 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: The Born rule allows you to

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 7:17 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:49 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 12:34, Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 12:02 PM Stathis Papaioannou >>> wrote: >>> >> The Born rule allows you to

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:49 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 12:34, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 12:02 PM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> > The Born rule allows you to calculate the probability of what outcome >>> you will see in a Universe

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On 11/29/2023 10:01 AM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 7:43 PM Brent Meeker wrote: /> For comparison you could posit a theory, MWI*, which is MWI plus the provision that only one exists with probability as defined by the Born rule.  Would MWI* be a different

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On 11/29/2023 6:27 AM, 'scerir' via Everything List wrote: [Bruce] Not really comparable. The probability of what ball you get is distinct from the fact that the ball exists. MWI is not a theory about what you will see. Any theory about that is necessarily a single world theory since you

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 2:59 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 11/29/2023 4:00 AM, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 7:30 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > > *> MWI fans assert that it is superior because it doesn't assume the Born >> rule, only the Schroedinger equation. I wouldn't claim

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On 11/29/2023 4:00 AM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 7:30 PM Brent Meeker wrote: /> MWI fans assert that it is superior because it doesn't assume the Born rule, only the Schroedinger equation.  I wouldn't claim that the (modern) version of Copenhagen is superior to

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 7:43 PM Brent Meeker wrote: *> For comparison you could posit a theory, MWI*, which is MWI plus the > provision that only one exists with probability as defined by the Born > rule. Would MWI* be a different interpretation than modern-CI? * In that case MWI* would be

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

[Bruce] Not really comparable. The probability of what ball you get is distinct from the fact that the ball exists. MWI is not a theory about what you will see. Any theory about that is necessarily a single world theory since you only see one ball. MWI is a theory about what exists, and its

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 7:30 PM Brent Meeker wrote: *> MWI fans assert that it is superior because it doesn't assume the Born > rule, only the Schroedinger equation. I wouldn't claim that the (modern) > version of Copenhagen is superior to MWI, I'm just unconvinced of the > converse.* A

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 12:34, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 12:02 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 11:32, Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 11:25 AM Stathis Papaioannou >>> wrote: >>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 11:17, Bruce

Re: The multiverse is unscientific nonsense??

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 6:49 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> the Born rule is incompatible with MWI. It is not incompatible with the > CI.* Nothing is incompatible with CI and nothing is compatible with it either because nobody knows what the hell CI is saying, and that includes Niels Bohr. John