Re: 1p 3p comparison

2012-02-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Feb 14, 5:44 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Feb 2012, at 20:17, Craig Weinberg wrote: It's not clear to me what the difference would really be between emerging from truth and embodying logic. You tell me. Emerging from arithmetical truth just means true in

Re: 1p 3p comparison

2012-02-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Feb 2012, at 18:54, Craig Weinberg wrote: I'm assuming the observations of quantum mechanics, but not the interpretations. So you assume QM? I think that what we measure at that level is literally the most 'common sense' of matter, and not an independent phenomena. It is the

Re: 1p 3p comparison

2012-02-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Feb 14, 7:56 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Feb 2012, at 18:54, Craig Weinberg wrote: I'm assuming the observations of quantum mechanics, but not the interpretations. So you assume QM? I assume the observations, but not the interpretations. For example: I assume

Re: 1p 3p comparison

2012-02-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Feb 2012, at 01:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Feb 11, 3:51 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 11 Feb 2012, at 15:56, Craig Weinberg wrote: Dennett's Comp: Human 1p = 3p(3p(3p)) - What do you mean precisely by np(np) n = 1 or 3. ? I'm using 1p or 3p as names only, first

Re: 1p 3p comparison

2012-02-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Feb 12, 6:54 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Feb 2012, at 01:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: Dennett's Comp: Human 1p = 3p(3p(3p)) - What do you mean precisely by np(np) n = 1 or 3. ? I'm using 1p or 3p as names only, first person direct phenomenology or third person

Re: 1p 3p comparison

2012-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Feb 2012, at 03:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: Dennett's Comp: Human 1p = 3p(3p(3p)) - What do you mean precisely by np(np) n = 1 or 3. ? Subjectivity is an illusion And I guess we agree that this is total nonsense. Machine 1p = 3p(3p(3p)) - Subjectivity is not considered formally

Re: 1p 3p comparison

2012-02-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Feb 11, 4:03 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 11 Feb 2012, at 03:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: Dennett's Comp: Human 1p = 3p(3p(3p)) - What do you mean precisely by np(np) n = 1 or 3. ? I'm using 1p or 3p as names only, first person direct phenomenology or third person

Re: 1p 3p comparison

2012-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Feb 2012, at 15:56, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Feb 11, 4:03 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 11 Feb 2012, at 03:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: Dennett's Comp: Human 1p = 3p(3p(3p)) - What do you mean precisely by np(np) n = 1 or 3. ? I'm using 1p or 3p as names only, first

Re: 1p 3p comparison

2012-02-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Feb 11, 3:51 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 11 Feb 2012, at 15:56, Craig Weinberg wrote: Dennett's Comp: Human 1p = 3p(3p(3p)) - What do you mean precisely by np(np) n = 1 or 3. ? I'm using 1p or 3p as names only, first person direct phenomenology or third person

1p 3p comparison

2012-02-10 Thread Craig Weinberg
Dennett's Comp: Human 1p = 3p(3p(3p)) - Subjectivity is an illusion Machine 1p = 3p(3p(3p)) - Subjectivity is not considered formally My view: Human 1p = (1p(1p(1p))) - Subjectivity a fundamental sense modality which is qualitatively enriched in humans through multiple organic nestings. Machine