--- On Sun, 7/25/10, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote:
From: Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com
Subject: Re: Implications of Tononi's IIT?
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Received: Sunday, July 25, 2010, 7:10 PM
On 7/24/2010 1:32 PM, Allen wrote:
On 7/23/2010
On 7/24/2010 1:32 PM, Allen wrote:
On 7/23/2010 3:03 PM, Brent Meeker wrote:
I'd say the information comes from the surface of Mars - it is
integrated (which means summed into a whole) by the Rover and acted
upon. Tononi seems to be abusing language and using integrated
when he actually
On 7/25/2010 5:19 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
As Jason pointed out below, you must take the software + hardware as a
whole like in the chinese room argument. If the chinese room room was
running a conscious program, consciousness wouldn't be in the man
acting on the symbols nor in the rules
On 7/25/2010 7:18 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
I agree with Quentin's answer below. When information is processed
recursively, iteratively, or hierarchically used to build upon results
it can no longer be viewed as conveying the same meaning. An analogy
is the meaning of a Book, which is built of
On 7/25/2010 12:14 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Jul 2010, at 23:02, Allen wrote:
On 7/23/2010 1:55 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I think this has nothing to do with technology. It is just that
consciousness is not related to the activity of the physical
machine, but to the logic which makes
On 24 Jul 2010, at 23:02, Allen wrote:
On 7/23/2010 1:55 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I think this has nothing to do with technology. It is just that
consciousness is not related to the activity of the physical
machine, but to the logic which makes the person supported by the
computation
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Allen allenkallenb...@yahoo.ca wrote:
On 7/24/2010 12:55 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
In the case of a digital camera, you could say the photodectors each map
directly to memory locations and so they can be completely separated and
their behavior remains the
On 7/24/2010 12:55 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
In the case of a digital camera, you could say the photodectors each
map directly to memory locations and so they can be completely
separated and their behavior remains the same. That isn't true with
the Mar's rover, whose software must evaluate the
On 7/23/2010 3:03 PM, Brent Meeker wrote:
I'd say the information comes from the surface of Mars - it is
integrated (which means summed into a whole) by the Rover and acted
upon. Tononi seems to be abusing language and using integrated when
he actually means generated. Whether there is
On 7/23/2010 1:55 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I think this has nothing to do with technology. It is just that
consciousness is not related to the activity of the physical machine,
but to the logic which makes the person supported by the computation
integrating that information.
Thank you
Thank you both for replying!
On 7/22/2010 8:47 PM, Brent Meeker wrote:
Sure. Consider a Mars Rover. It has a camera with many pixels. The
voltage of the photodetector of each pixel is digitized and sent to a
computer. The computer processes the data and recognizes there is a
rock in
On 23 Jul 2010, at 17:17, Allen wrote:
I'm sure none of you needed the reminder, it's only so that I
may point directly to what I mean. Now, doesn't this - the nature
of a Turing machine - fundamentally exclude the ability to integrate
information? The computers we have today do
On 7/23/2010 8:17 AM, Allen wrote:
Thank you both for replying!
On 7/22/2010 8:47 PM, Brent Meeker wrote:
Sure. Consider a Mars Rover. It has a camera with many pixels. The
voltage of the photodetector of each pixel is digitized and sent to a
computer. The computer processes the data
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Allen allenkallenb...@yahoo.ca wrote:
Thank you both for replying!
On 7/22/2010 8:47 PM, Brent Meeker wrote:
Sure. Consider a Mars Rover. It has a camera with many pixels. The
voltage of the photodetector of each pixel is digitized and sent to a
2010/7/23 Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com
I am very familiar with Tononi's definition of information integration,
but if it is something that neurons do it is certainly something computers
can do as well.
Sorry, I meant to say that I am *not *very familiar...
Jason
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Buongiorno, Everything List!
I have been lurking here since mid-2009, and had hoped to have a better
intellectual foundation to support me before I posted anything of my own, but I
would really like to ask this question.
Giulio Tononi's Integrated Information Theory (IIT)
On 7/22/2010 3:33 PM, Allen Kallenbach wrote:
Buongiorno, Everything List!
I have been lurking here since mid-2009, and had hoped to have a
better intellectual foundation to support me before I posted anything
of my own, but I would really like to ask this question.
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Allen Kallenbach
allenkallenb...@yahoo.cawrote:
Considering this, can consciousness be Turing emulable? That is, can
a Turing machine integrate information? I want to expand my question here,
but I don't have the knowledge to do so without distracting
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