Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Jul 2014, at 01:05, LizR wrote: On 22 July 2014 23:19, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 22 Jul 2014, at 11:14, Richard Ruquist wrote: I agree that it does not make any sense. But complain to David Deusch who introduced the multiverse within the universe. We now have two

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-24 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:53 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: There should be an Everett style multiverse embedded in the string landscape universe. Perhaps but that's not the only way it could happen, string theory could be wrong and Everett still be right. Everett pointed out that

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-24 Thread LizR
On 25 July 2014 02:38, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:53 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: There should be an Everett style multiverse embedded in the string landscape universe. Perhaps but that's not the only way it could happen, string theory could be

RE: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-23 Thread John Ross
Yes, in that sense tronnies form protons, just as they form everything else in our Universe. Protons need a lot of tronnies to do what they do. Combinations of hydrogen (one proton) produce helium and the fusion energy of stars. This energy is provided by the approximately 15 gamma ray

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-23 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: For the purposes of this thread I'm specifically interested in whether the MV opposes supersymmetry in some sense. Not really. If String Theory is true there are at least 10^500 other universes with different laws of physics and maybe a

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-23 Thread Richard Ruquist
I hope you are not confusing the MV multiverse with the Everett MWI multiverse It seems that John Clark is. On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:24 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: For the purposes of this thread I'm specifically

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-23 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
I like how Max Tegmark calssified the multiverses into level I, II, II, and IV level multiverses. Level I multiverse is other bubble universes existing in our same spacetime  --  that shall we say froze, out from an underlying state of eternal inflation -- and which has a high degree of

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-23 Thread LizR
On 24 July 2014 04:42, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: I hope you are not confusing the MV multiverse with the Everett MWI multiverse It seems that John Clark is. There should be an Everett style multiverse embedded in the string landscape universe. That is, one in 10^500 of the

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-23 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:53 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 July 2014 04:42, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: I hope you are not confusing the MV multiverse with the Everett MWI multiverse It seems that John Clark is. There should be an Everett style multiverse embedded

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-22 Thread LizR
On 21 July 2014 17:52, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: But they cannot cancel to high precision if the symmetry is broken I think this is something to do with their contributions to renormalising (is that the word?) the Higgs mass. They can somehow bring it down from around the Planck

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-22 Thread LizR
On 22 July 2014 12:18, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: LizR, I hope you are not confusing the MV multiverse with the Everett MWI multiverse within our universe that Bruno talks about. The evidence for an MV is just evidence for universes outside of our universe. It is not evidence

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Jul 2014, at 01:33, Richard Ruquist wrote: My only comment is that SUSY is associated with string theory, not MW. String theory includes QFT as a low energy equivalent w/o SUSY and QFT does not predict MW. But then I am just another dummie. No problem Richard, the future belongs to the

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Jul 2014, at 02:56, LizR wrote: Thanks! I will perhaps have more to say / ask once I've looked at those. I will take a look on Jesse's references once I am less busy. I wait for you making a good summary :) (a priori, I see no relation between Suzy and MW). Bruno -- You

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
I agree that it does not make any sense. But complain to David Deusch who introduced the multiverse within the universe. We now have two scientific definitions of multiverse and it is very confusing. Richard On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 1:10 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On 22

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Jul 2014, at 11:14, Richard Ruquist wrote: I agree that it does not make any sense. But complain to David Deusch who introduced the multiverse within the universe. We now have two scientific definitions of multiverse and it is very confusing. Richard Well Tegmark made an

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Jul 2014, at 07:10, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 22 July 2014 10:18, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: LizR, I hope you are not confusing the MV multiverse with the Everett MWI multiverse within our universe that Bruno talks about. The evidence for an MV is just evidence for

RE: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-22 Thread John Ross
Symmetry Every proton contains one electron and two positrons. There is one electron for each proton. There exists a relatively few free positrons and there is a free electron to match each free positrons. Electrons and positrons are created and destroyed only in pairs. So there is

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-22 Thread LizR
I think I made a summary above of my initial reaction. But the reason I asked the question is that I agree with you. And after reading a number of comments, I still don't see any definite opposition here. I think the opposition of ideas is between the fact that SUSY leaves more to be discovered at

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-22 Thread LizR
On 22 July 2014 23:19, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 22 Jul 2014, at 11:14, Richard Ruquist wrote: I agree that it does not make any sense. But complain to David Deusch who introduced the multiverse within the universe. We now have two scientific definitions of multiverse and

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-22 Thread LizR
On 23 July 2014 05:15, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: Symmetry Every proton contains one electron and two positrons. There is one electron for each proton. There exists a relatively few free positrons and there is a free electron to match each free positrons. Electrons and

RE: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-22 Thread John Ross
Tronnies do not form protons. Tronnies form only entrons (two tronnies), electrons (three tronnies) and positrons (three tronnies). Protons are comprised of a very high energy electron (comprised of an electron and a neutrino entron) and two positrons plus about 15 gamma ray entrons.

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-22 Thread LizR
On 23 July 2014 12:07, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: Tronnies do not form protons. Tronnies form only entrons (two tronnies), electrons (three tronnies) and positrons (three tronnies). Protons are comprised of a very high energy electron (comprised of an electron and a

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-21 Thread John Clark
If you're interested in physical evidence of the multiverse it will probably come from radio telescopes not particle accelerators. Back in March of this year there was a report of variations of the polarization of the microwave radiation from the Big Bang that could only have come from Inflation

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-21 Thread LizR
On 22 July 2014 05:47, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: If you're interested in physical evidence of the multiverse it will probably come from radio telescopes not particle accelerators. Back in March of this year there was a report of variations of the polarization of the microwave

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-21 Thread LizR
There is an observed asymmetry in the Universe - if not between matter and antimatter, then between the distribution of positively and negatively charged tronnies. Why would the positive ones end up in protons and the negative ones end up in electrons (or an excess of both, respectively?)That's

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-21 Thread LizR
Mind you I think the main argument against supersymmetry is that the names are so damn ugly. A stop squark and a wino go into a bar... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-21 Thread Richard Ruquist
LizR, I hope you are not confusing the MV multiverse with the Everett MWI multiverse within our universe that Bruno talks about. The evidence for an MV is just evidence for universes outside of our universe. It is not evidence for an Everett-type multiverse. Richard On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 6:15

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-21 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 22 July 2014 10:18, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: LizR, I hope you are not confusing the MV multiverse with the Everett MWI multiverse within our universe that Bruno talks about. The evidence for an MV is just evidence for universes outside of our universe. It is not evidence

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-20 Thread LizR
Does no one have any comment / answer / information on this? On 20 July 2014 15:38, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: We've just been watching Particle Fever - a documentary about the LHC (from 2007 to the discovery of the Higgs boson last year). In it, at least a couple of people (Monica

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-20 Thread Richard Ruquist
My only comment is that SUSY is associated with string theory, not MW. String theory includes QFT as a low energy equivalent w/o SUSY and QFT does not predict MW. But then I am just another dummie. Richard On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:22 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Does no one have any

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-20 Thread Richard Ruquist
Also 10^500 is the number of unique windings thru 500 topo holes each winding having 10 quantum states, but in 6 dimensions, not 11. I also do not understand why SUSY would rule out MW. Richard On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:22 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Does no one have any comment /

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-20 Thread Jesse Mazer
Hopefully someone with a better understanding of these things will comment, but I believe it has to do with what physicists call the hierarchy problem, here are some links for your perusal: http://profmattstrassler.com/articles-and-posts/particle-physics-basics/the-hierarchy-problem/

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-20 Thread LizR
Thanks! I will perhaps have more to say / ask once I've looked at those. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-20 Thread LizR
To a first approximation this appears to have something to do with the relative weakness of gravity compared to the weak force. This is, I gather, highly unexpected because it involves some delicate cancellations (presumably delicate to about 32 decimal places). And I also gather this is connected

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-20 Thread LizR
To a second approximation, the afore-mentioned cancellation can be made very exact by giving each particle a partner which exactly balances its contribution (or words to that effect). These are the superpartners, and give a fermion for each known boson and vice versa. Since fermions and bosons

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-20 Thread LizR
Or even a broken symmetry. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

Re: The Higgs and SUSY vs the Multiverse

2014-07-20 Thread Richard Ruquist
But they cannot cancel to high precision if the symmetry is broken On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 9:17 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Or even a broken symmetry. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group