Re: How to live forever

2018-03-15 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 7:36 AM, Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: *> Eternal black holes with the inner horizon r_- continuous with I^+ means > in principle a Turing machine approaching r_- could receive an infinite > stream of bits or qubits so it could make a catalog

Re: How to live forever

2018-03-15 Thread Lawrence Crowell
The Aaronson discussion about soap bubbles and optimization is in line with something I have maintained. Eternal black holes with the inner horizon r_- continuous with I^+ means in principle a Turing machine approaching r_- could receive an infinite stream of bits or qubits so it could make a

Re: How to live forever

2018-03-14 Thread agrayson2000
On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 8:24:49 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > > > On 3/14/2018 6:33 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > It is not about believing anything. Our brains operate not just as > switching systems of neurons, but neurons are themselves biological. The > real computer analogue I

Re: How to live forever

2018-03-14 Thread Brent Meeker
On 3/14/2018 6:33 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: It is not about believing anything. Our brains operate not just as switching systems of neurons, but neurons are themselves biological. The real computer analogue I think extends down to the molecular level, where kinase and other actions are

Re: How to live forever

2018-03-14 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 9:33 AM, Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> So I take it you believe in the magical carbon theory, the idea that >> particular element has mystical properties that the element silicon lacks >> even though the scientific method can not see

Re: How to live forever

2018-03-14 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 7:42:47 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 9:18 PM, Lawrence Crowell < > goldenfield...@gmail.com > wrote: > > ​> ​ >> Nope, no thanks. The problem is that I suspect that even if you download >> information from a brain into a AI system that

Re: How to live forever

2018-03-13 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 9:18 PM, Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: ​> ​ > Nope, no thanks. The problem is that I suspect that even if you download > information from a brain into a AI system that while it might outwardly > appear to be the person inside the machine, the

Re: How to live forever

2018-03-13 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Soon the rich will be rushing to Alcor! -Original Message- From: John Clark To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Mar 13, 2018 5:21 pm Subject: How to live forever ​ Woody Allen said "I don't want to achieve immortality through my

Re: How to live forever

2018-03-13 Thread Lawrence Crowell
Nope, no thanks. The problem is that I suspect that even if you download information from a brain into a AI system that while it might outwardly appear to be the person inside the machine, the person in fact no long exists. At least I suspect this might be, and even if you interact with people

Re: How to live forever

2018-03-13 Thread Brent Meeker
On 3/13/2018 2:48 PM, smitra wrote: Uploading may only become feasible when society has already transitioned to a machine society, there may then be only a limited interest in uploading the brain contents of deceased persons who by that time will be regarded to be not so intelligent. Or they

Re: How to live forever

2018-03-13 Thread smitra
Uploading may only become feasible when society has already transitioned to a machine society, there may then be only a limited interest in uploading the brain contents of deceased persons who by that time will be regarded to be not so intelligent. Or they may only do that to extract what they

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