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On 27 February 2014 06:57, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 10:22 PM, LizR wrote: > > > Hydro IS solar. >> > > And solar IS nuclear. > Indeed. I keep mentioning this. Why bother with all these other power sources when you have a fusion reactor in the astronomical backyard? -- You

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From: John Clark To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:57 AM Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 10:22 PM, LizR wrote: > Hydro IS solar. And solar

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On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 10:22 PM, LizR wrote: > Hydro IS solar. > And solar IS nuclear. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ever

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On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote: > The prices for PV keeps coming down as well; in fact it has dropped an > amazing 99% in the past quarter century. > That's very nice, but even if the price dropped to zero it wouldn't be enough to completely take over from nuclear and f

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On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 1:53 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> Well let's see, my car has 306 horsepower, one horsepower is equal to > 746 watts so my car needs 228,276 watts. On a bright day at noon solar > cells produce about 10 watts per square foot, so my car would need 22,827 > square feet of solar

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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:23 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Hydro IS solar. How do you think the water

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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:19 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Point taken. But I know that

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sier to watch then to live, I reckon. -Original Message----- From: LizR To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:23 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating The great thing about using an energy grid is you can plug in new components (i.e. different types of ge

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-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:22 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 26 February 2014 12:05, meekerdb wrote: On 2/25/2014 2:52 PM

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On 26 February 2014 16:31, meekerdb wrote: > It's scope obviously requires government level leadership and > organization, but YOU exemplify the obstruction to that with your Ayn Rand > fear of government and dogmatic faith in 'free markets'. > > This is SO similar to a friend of mine ... "Ayn Ra

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On 2/25/2014 7:18 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Point taken. But I know that the progressive billionaires do advocate switching off our current dirty, in exchange for promises of clean. Promises, only, that is. Hydroelectric, isn't really solar, its gravity, so we can call it gravity power. Ho

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of > no other alternatives. What do you suggest and how much time do we have to > replace the dirty and old, since, I take you support AGW? So, what do we do? > -Original Message- > From: meekerdb > To: everything-list > Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:29 pm > Subject: Re

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to replace the dirty and old, since, I take you support AGW? So, what do we do? -Original Message- From: meekerdb To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:29 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 2/25/2014 4:15 PM, spudboy.

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Every time someone says we should worry about climate change or look for renewable sources of power, people start saying it's a plot by greenies to rule the world. Psychologists tell us that people tend to project their own motives onto others... -- You received this message because you are subs

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On 2/25/2014 4:15 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Its only a pipe dream if it doesn't work. Its all lies and exaggeration if a technology if it does not. For decades, people all over the world have worked on energy systems to replace the "dirty" sources that we have trouble with, regarding air and

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atch then to live, I reckon. -Original Message- From: LizR To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 4:23 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating The great thing about using an energy grid is you can plug in new components (i.e. different types

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On 26 February 2014 12:05, meekerdb wrote: > On 2/25/2014 2:52 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 26 February 2014 11:18, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 2/25/2014 1:23 PM, LizR wrote: >> >>> The great thing about using an energy grid is you can plug in new >>> components (i.e. different types of generators - nuc

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On 2/25/2014 2:52 PM, LizR wrote: On 26 February 2014 11:18, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 2/25/2014 1:23 PM, LizR wrote: The great thing about using an energy grid is you can plug in new components (i.e. different types of generators - nuclear etc) and

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On 26 February 2014 11:18, meekerdb wrote: > On 2/25/2014 1:23 PM, LizR wrote: > >> The great thing about using an energy grid is you can plug in new >> components (i.e. different types of generators - nuclear etc) and >> everything continues to work the same way downstream. >> >> This is why I'm

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On 2/25/2014 1:23 PM, LizR wrote: The great thing about using an energy grid is you can plug in new components (i.e. different types of generators - nuclear etc) and everything continues to work the same way downstream. This is why I'm keen on the idea of extracting CO2 from the air and making

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The great thing about using an energy grid is you can plug in new components (i.e. different types of generators - nuclear etc) and everything continues to work the same way downstream. This is why I'm keen on the idea of extracting CO2 from the air and making petrol, if possible. No change is req

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On 2/25/2014 10:47 AM, John Clark wrote: Well let's see, my car has 306 horsepower, one horsepower is equal to 746 watts so my car needs 228,276 watts. On a bright day at noon solar cells produce about 10 watts per square foot, so my car would need 22,827 square feet of solar cells, that's not c

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On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:24 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote: > I think the early experiments at Oak Ridge with LFTR were side-lined > because it did not fit well with the requirements of the Cold War. The LFTR > fuel cycle does not support (i.e. help scale up) the military need for > highly enriche

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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb On 2/24/2014 11:24 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: >>That would certainly be true if there is no sense of urgency to get the job done, but we got to the moon in less than 9 years once we d

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On 2/24/2014 11:24 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: >>That would certainly be true if there is no sense of urgency to get the job done, but we got to the moon in less than 9 years once we decided we really really wanted to go there. There is no scientific reason it would take decades to get a LFTR

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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 1:21 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Solar cells are getting cheaper and easier

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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark > There are many reasons why nuclear power is dead in the water. >>I think the main reason is that reactors got too big too fast and their design has been frozen for nearly half

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On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:30:21PM +1300, LizR wrote: > On 25 February 2014 12:20, John Mikes wrote: > > > Liz, I will sign up for your 101 chemistry class. > > > > Sadly not my strong point, as I'm sure you realise. I just know that car > exhausts produce CO2 and water vapour (plus a bit of lea

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On 25 February 2014 12:20, John Mikes wrote: > Liz, I will sign up for your 101 chemistry class. > Sadly not my strong point, as I'm sure you realise. I just know that car exhausts produce CO2 and water vapour (plus a bit of lead etc) so I'm guessing one can in theory reconstitute these substanc

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Liz, I will sign up for your 101 chemistry class. CO2 + 2H2O make CH4 PLUS 2 oxygen molecules. Use a multiple of such to make your 'petrol' (lesser ratio of H to C and even absorbing a little portion of the O2) yet the surplus of O2 is still generated. What I am driving at are CH3-CH2...CH2.CH3 ty

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Solar cells are getting cheaper and easier to use (e.g. flexible plastic ones). It should be possible to stick them anywhere you want, e.g. on buildings or cars. This would mean at least some solar power could be harvested using existing infrastructure. As usual the technology is there, or almost t

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On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: > There are many reasons why nuclear power is dead in the water. > I think the main reason is that reactors got too big too fast and their design has been frozen for nearly half a century. They found a nuclear reactor design that worked w

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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb On 2/21/2014 2:27 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: I am in agreement but I am guessing humankind does not yet possess a working LTFR that could power a large city. Nor, is a MSR (molten salt

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On 2/21/2014 2:27 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: I am in agreement but I am guessing humankind does not yet possess a working LTFR that could power a large city. Nor, is a MSR (molten salt reactor) to accomplish the goodies we all need, abundant and comparatively safe. Like fusion, like solar, it

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On 2/21/2014 11:52 AM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 5:50 PM, LizR mailto:lizj...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Would this have happened if Japan had been using subcritical reactors with thorium fuel? If it were a Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor (LFTR) and the cowardly operators sa

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four or five decades then it may not even make sense to invest in them as Solar PV will become the low cost supply. Chris From: John Clark To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 11:52 AM Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima

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work here and there, little is happening. -Original Message- From: John Clark To: everything-list Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:52 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 5:50 PM, LizR wrote: > Would this have happened if Ja

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On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 5:50 PM, LizR wrote: > Would this have happened if Japan had been using subcritical reactors > with thorium fuel? > If it were a Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor (LFTR) and the cowardly operators saw the Tsunami coming and ran for the hills and completely abandoned the pla

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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 7:15 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 20 February 2014 00:20, wrote: They

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On 20 February 2014 00:20, wrote: > They may never have provided any electricity in the first place. I have > read, at length, some nuclear engineering papers, concerning accelerator > driven reactors, subcritical thorium, and bluntly, they are like fusion > reactors, they don't exist. There is r

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glegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating > > > > > On Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:01:26 PM UTC, cdemorsella wrote: > > Ground water contamination levels at the sampled well site of 54,000Bq/ > liter > > NHK <http://

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glegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating > > > > > On Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:01:26 PM UTC, cdemorsella wrote: > > Ground water contamination levels at the sampled well site of 54,000Bq/ > liter > > NHK <

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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ghib...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 2:02 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Thursday, February 13

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t: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Would this have happened if Japan had been using subcritical reactors with thorium fuel? On 19/02/2014, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:01:26 PM UTC, cdemorsella wrote: >> >> Ground water contami

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If it had been a liquid salt type thorium reactor as prototyped at Oak Ridge in the 50's, it could not have happened. The thorium salt is a solid at room temperature and is not water soluble. Brent On 2/18/2014 2:50 PM, LizR wrote: Would this have happened if Japan had been using subcritical

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On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:33:19 PM UTC, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > Ghibbsa, > > I tend to agree, if nuclear reactors are just built to the high safety > standards they need to be. Quite obviously they should be built to > automatically shut down safely, rather than having melt downs. > > In

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Ghibbsa, I tend to agree, if nuclear reactors are just built to the high safety standards they need to be. Quite obviously they should be built to automatically shut down safely, rather than having melt downs. In general the aggregate risks of nuclear power are less than comparable amounts of

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On Tuesday, February 18, 2014 10:50:19 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: > > Would this have happeed if Japan had been using subcritical reactors > with thorium fuel? > It's worth asking. I don't know the answer but if half the promise were half true for Thorium it'd be pretty hard to accept the risk port

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On 19/02/2014, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: > > I'm over-compensating in the other direction a bit here. Not because I love > > the bomb, but if you only knew the power of the dark side. > Come ... join us... Don't be afraid... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google G

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Would this have happened if Japan had been using subcritical reactors with thorium fuel? On 19/02/2014, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:01:26 PM UTC, cdemorsella wrote: >> >> Ground water contamination levels at the sampled well site of 54,000Bq/ >> liter >> >> NHK <

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On Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:01:26 PM UTC, cdemorsella wrote: > > Ground water contamination levels at the sampled well site of 54,000Bq/ > liter > > NHK , Feb. > 13, 2014: *Record cesium level in Fukushima plant groundwater* — [T

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Jeez. Roll on solar power. On 14 February 2014 04:01, Chris de Morsella wrote: > Ground water contamination levels at the sampled well site of 54,000Bq/ > liter > > NHK , Feb. > 13, 2014: *Record cesium level in Fukushima plant groun

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Ground water contamination levels at the sampled well site of 54,000Bq/ liter NHK , Feb. 13, 2014: Record cesium level in Fukushima plant groundwater - [Tepco] says water samples taken from a newly-dug well contained the highest levels

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