Re: UDA query

2010-01-05 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2010/1/5 Nick Prince m...@dtech.fsnet.co.uk: Is this because you think of your stream of consciousness as somehow like a reel of film?  All the individual pictures could be cut from the reel and laid out any which way but the implicit order is always there.  I can understand this because all

Re: UDA query

2010-01-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2010/1/5 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com 2010/1/5 Nick Prince m...@dtech.fsnet.co.uk: Is this because you think of your stream of consciousness as somehow like a reel of film? All the individual pictures could be cut from the reel and laid out any which way but the implicit order

Re: UDA query

2010-01-05 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2010/1/5 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com: Consider a set of three one minute intervals of experience, {S1, S2, S3}, which belong to a person S. S2 remembers S1 and remembers no gap or intervening experiences between S2 and S1; S3 remembers S1 and S2 and remembers that S1 preceded S2; and

Re: UDA query

2010-01-05 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Le mercredi 06 janvier 2010 à 00:29 +1100, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : 2010/1/5 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com: Consider a set of three one minute intervals of experience, {S1, S2, S3}, which belong to a person S. S2 remembers S1 and remembers no gap or intervening experiences

Re: UDA query

2010-01-05 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2010/1/6 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com: It seems to me that it depends if the computation is iterative or not... in other words, to compute step N you must have computed step N-1 before that. If you can directly compute step N without computing prior step, S2/S1/S3 is possible.

Re: UDA query

2010-01-05 Thread Nick Prince
Thank you Stathis, That does make sense to me. On Jan 5, 12:22 pm, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/5 Nick Prince m...@dtech.fsnet.co.uk: Is this because you think of your stream of consciousness as somehow like a reel of film?  All the individual pictures could be cut

Re: UDA query

2010-01-05 Thread Nick Prince
As I understand it the UD generates all possible programs and as it generates each one it runs one step of it before generating the next. Does that not mean that eventually it will generate the program which is generating what we understand to be some observer moments for us at this particular

Re: UDA query

2010-01-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Jan 2010, at 15:09, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2010/1/6 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com: It seems to me that it depends if the computation is iterative or not... in other words, to compute step N you must have computed step N-1 before that. If you can directly compute step N

Re: UDA query

2010-01-05 Thread Brent Meeker
Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le mercredi 06 janvier 2010 à 00:29 +1100, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : 2010/1/5 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com: Consider a set of three one minute intervals of experience, {S1, S2, S3}, which belong to a person S. S2 remembers S1 and remembers no gap or

Re: UDA query

2010-01-05 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2010/1/4 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com: I think you give an excellent explication of the problem, Stathis. However, one thing about it that still worries me is the role of time. You say the mapping need not be consistent even moment to moment, and yet the

Re: UDA query

2010-01-05 Thread Brent Meeker
Nick Prince wrote: Is this because you think of your stream of consciousness as somehow like a reel of film? All the individual pictures could be cut from the reel and laid out any which way but the implicit order is always there. I can understand this because all the spatio temporal

Re: UDA query

2010-01-05 Thread Nick Prince
On Jan 5, 6:59 pm, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: Nick Prince wrote: Is this because you think of your stream of consciousness as somehow like a reel of film?  All the individual pictures could be cut from the reel and laid out any which way but the implicit order is always

Re: UDA query

2010-01-05 Thread Nick Prince
OOps sorry I sent an empty post by accident. I agree with you here. But I am new to this field so I am uncertain about so many things. However, I don't understand why it is that a UD would know how to generate these law like sequences of states. It may well generate all possible programs that

Re: UDA query

2010-01-05 Thread Brent Meeker
Nick Prince wrote: OOps sorry I sent an empty post by accident. I agree with you here. But I am new to this field so I am uncertain about so many things. However, I don't understand why it is that a UD would know how to generate these law like sequences of states. It may well generate all

Re: UDA query

2010-01-05 Thread Brent Meeker
Nick Prince wrote: Hi Brent Perhaps Bruno could give some clarification here. Just prior to his conclusion on the sane paper I quoted from was this: "So if we keep comp at this stage, we are forced to relate the inner experience only to the type of computation involved. The reason is