Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 May 2012, at 20:19, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 23.05.2012 20:01 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 23 May 2012, at 19:19, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Let us take terms like information, computation, etc. Are they mental or mathematical? Information is vague, and can be both.

Re: Bases and other strange things

2012-05-24 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 08:50:58AM -0700, meekerdb wrote: On 5/23/2012 4:53 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/23/2012 1:03 AM, Russell Standish wrote: The definition is a somewhat wordy, but essentially technically correct, form of the standard definition of a basis in Linear Algebra. What is

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-24 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 04:41:56PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: To be sure I usually use - for the material implication, that is a - b is indeed not a or b (or not(a and not b)). The IF ... THEN used in math is generally of that type. I use a = b for from a I can derive b, in the theory I

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 May 2012, at 09:07, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 04:41:56PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: To be sure I usually use - for the material implication, that is a - b is indeed not a or b (or not(a and not b)). The IF ... THEN used in math is generally of that type. I use

Re: Simple question

2012-05-24 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 6:24 PM, alexalex alexmka...@yahoo.com wrote: Taking the qunatum immortality  argument as a fact what do you think about the following implication? If you'll be conscious only in those universes where you'll keep on living then most surely you'll watch all your

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On May 23, 1:54 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2012  Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:  Nominated for a reason or nominated for no reason. Wrong. I am doing the nominating. You are doing the nominating for a reason or you are doing the nominating

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On May 23, 10:05 pm, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: There is obviously at least a small probability that you will decide to sleep under a bush tonight. Only because of how we have defined

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-24 Thread meekerdb
On 5/24/2012 6:42 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 May 2012, at 09:07, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 04:41:56PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: To be sure I usually use - for the material implication, that is a - b is indeed not a or b (or not(a and not b)). The IF ... THEN

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-24 Thread John Clark
On Thu, May 24, 2012 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Reason is not nominating anyone by itself. I am doing the nominating Are you doing the nominations for a reason? There are only two possible answers. Reasons don't care what I nominate, but I do. And if you were constructed

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On May 24, 4:27 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2012  Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Reason is not nominating anyone by itself. I am doing the nominating Are you doing the nominations for a reason? There are only two possible answers. My doing the

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-24 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:12 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: If it is absolutely certain that you won't sleep under a bush tonight then it is impossible that you will do so and the probability is zero. My understanding is that you don't approve of this sort of certain as you

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-24 Thread meekerdb
On 5/24/2012 4:55 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:12 AM, Craig Weinbergwhatsons...@gmail.com wrote: If it is absolutely certain that you won't sleep under a bush tonight then it is impossible that you will do so and the probability is zero. My understanding is that

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On May 24, 7:55 pm, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:12 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: If it is absolutely certain that you won't sleep under a bush tonight then it is impossible that you will do so and the probability is zero. My

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On May 24, 9:54 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Now we (except for Craig) recognize that these properties can be found in machines, like chess players or AI with learning.  They can be either probabilistic (in the inherent sense by having QM random number generators) or deterministic

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-24 Thread meekerdb
On 5/24/2012 9:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On May 24, 9:54 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: Now we (except for Craig) recognize that these properties can be found in machines, like chess players or AI with learning. They can be either probabilistic (in the inherent sense by having QM

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-24 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 5/25/12, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: However, the brain must be either probabilistic or deterministic. It doesn't matter what the brain's limitations are. It seems to me that the psyche uses the brain like a tool. The brain is a 3-D shadow of an 8-D temporal phenomena.