Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-09 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I´m very sorry John for my though response. But there are a lot of things to consider in the case and to extract a phrase from its context is not fair play. Just that. 2013/9/8 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com Feyerabend made the best analysis of the endavour of Galileo in his fight for

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, September 8, 2013 4:42:02 PM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: Sent from my iPad On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 chris peck chris_...@hotmail.com wrote: Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory, but a

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-09 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I think that there are real progress that can be even measured in terms of entropic order. That a man embodies more structure and organization than a bacteria is objective and measurable, and it is a product of more emergent levels of evolution. In concrete the human being includes the eucariotic

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Alberto, On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: I think that there are real progress that can be even measured in terms of entropic order. That a man embodies more structure and organization than a bacteria is objective and measurable, and it is a

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-09 Thread Alberto G. Corona
PD: Yesterday I saw an advertising in a wall: Metaphysical Tarot, call (number) 2013/9/9 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com John: I have been working in AI and I can say you that such indetermination in the concepts is very common when software designers create their semantic networks,

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-09 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Telmo: I don´t know if that process of emergence of levels is the sole effect of a darwinian process. We can't know it. what is clear is that Darwinism has a explanation for it. And this applies too to the social level. http://www.cogsci.msu.edu/DSS/2006-2007/Wilson/Rethinking_July_20.pdf

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Sep 2013, at 22:39, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Feyerabend made the best analysis of the endavour of Galileo in his fight for the truth. No other presented the intellectual work of Galileo in his gigantic intelectual dimension that was, more even than the case of Einstenin and

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Sep 2013, at 04:10, chris peck wrote: Hi John Nearly a century ago J.B.S. Haldane was confronted with a bonehead who said he thought Evolution was not a scientific theory because he was unable to provide a hypothetical way it could be disproved. In response Haldane thundered

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Sep 2013, at 11:58, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Alberto, On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: I think that there are real progress that can be even measured in terms of entropic order. That a man embodies more structure and organization than a

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: Telmo: I don´t know if that process of emergence of levels is the sole effect of a darwinian process. We can't know it. what is clear is that Darwinism has a explanation for it. And this applies too to the social

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 09 Sep 2013, at 11:58, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Alberto, On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: I think that there are real progress that can be even measured in terms of

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-09 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I do not like very much Feyerabend, and disgaree with its overal philosophy of science, I do agree with him on Galileo. OK so let me get this straight, you agree that the church at the time of Galileo was much more

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-09 Thread chris peck
Hi PGC It seems to me that John has just misunderstood Feyerabend. Unsuprising given his misunderstanding of Popper not to mention Darwin. Feyerabend is not really defending the church here. Hes making the point that in order to get his theory out and give it life Galileo had to at some stage

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-09 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 8:42 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I do not like very much Feyerabend, and disgaree with its overal philosophy of science, I do agree with him on Galileo. OK so let me get this

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-09 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:37 PM, chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.comwrote: Hi PGC It seems to me that John has just misunderstood Feyerabend. Unsuprising given his misunderstanding of Popper not to mention Darwin. Feyerabend is not really defending the church here. Hes making the point

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-09 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 11:58:37AM +0200, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Alberto, On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: I think that there are real progress that can be even measured in terms of entropic order. That a man embodies more structure and

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-09 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 05:26:02PM +0200, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: However a darwinian process is a natural process. In a block universe, there is no such darwinian process (because there is no process of any kind

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-09-09 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thursday, September 5, 2013, Craig Weinberg wrote: My position would suggest that the more mechanistic the conditions of the test, the more it stacks the test in favor of not being able to tell the difference. If you want to fool someone into thinking an AI is alive, get a small group

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-09-09 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
(Resending complete email - trying to do this on a phone.) On Tuesday, September 10, 2013, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Thursday, September 5, 2013, Craig Weinberg wrote: My position would suggest that the more mechanistic the conditions of the test, the more it stacks the test in

Re: Determinism - Tricks of the Trade

2013-09-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, September 9, 2013 11:39:31 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: (Resending complete email - trying to do this on a phone.) On Tuesday, September 10, 2013, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Thursday, September 5, 2013, Craig Weinberg wrote: My position would suggest that the more

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-09 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com wrote: it seems to me that John has just misunderstood Feyerabend. It seems to me that the church at the time of Galileo was much more faithful to reason than Galileo himself leaves little room for misunderstanding and is as clear as