Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Jun 2015, at 18:35, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: An event is just a place and a time; are you saying that mathematics is incapable of handling 4 coordinates? Of course, applied mathematics exists, and you can represent event in

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:00, Bruce Kellett wrote: meekerdb wrote: On 6/5/2015 4:29 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: meekerdb wrote: On 6/5/2015 12:22 PM, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 , meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: It's very relevant if you want

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-07 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: An event is just a place and a time; are you saying that mathematics is incapable of handling 4 coordinates? Of course, applied mathematics exists, and you can represent event in mathematics, but you shopuld not confuse something

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Jun 2015, at 20:35, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Event is a physical notion. Algorithmic non compressibility is an mathematical notion. An event is just a place and a time; are you saying that mathematics is incapable of handling 4

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Jun 2015, at 21:03, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Do you agree that the simulated john Clark will still complain that matter is missing in computation, despite we know that he refers to number relations, without knowing it? If the

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-07 Thread LizR
On 8 June 2015 at 11:14, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 6/7/2015 3:00 PM, LizR wrote: On 8 June 2015 at 05:08, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 07 Jun 2015, at 18:35, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: An event is just

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-07 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Monday, June 8, 2015, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2015 at 05:08, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','marc...@ulb.ac.be'); wrote: On 07 Jun 2015, at 18:35, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-07 Thread LizR
On 8 June 2015 at 05:08, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 07 Jun 2015, at 18:35, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: An event is just a place and a time; are you saying that mathematics is incapable of handling 4 coordinates? Of

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-07 Thread LizR
Must re-read my posts before sending. That should of course be which hypothesis, not why (D'oh!) And I seem to have too many coulds ...Oh well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-07 Thread meekerdb
On 6/7/2015 3:00 PM, LizR wrote: On 8 June 2015 at 05:08, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 07 Jun 2015, at 18:35, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: An event is

Re: Notion of (mathematical) reason

2015-06-07 Thread Bruce Kellett
LizR wrote: On 6 June 2015 at 11:26, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au wrote: LizR wrote: This is true if events have an existence apart from maths. However, that is still being debated. Tegmark's mathematical universe

Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-07 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: that is enough to conceive the set of the Gödel number of true sentences of arithmetic, and prove theorems about that set. That set can be defined in standard set theory YOU CAN'T MAKE A COMPUTATION WITH A DEFINITION! Half of your

RE: Recent methane spikes in the arctic

2015-06-07 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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Re: The scope of physical law and its relationship to the substitution level

2015-06-07 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: everyone agrees that 2+2=4 by definition, it's not so clear that arithmetic objects exist. If 2+2=4 exists then 2+2=5 does too. Platonia may contain all true statements but it contains all false statement as well and even Platonia

Re: Recent methane spikes in the arctic

2015-06-07 Thread LizR
The Doomsday argument is looking increasingly realistic. On 8 June 2015 at 14:20, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=p2ckkxEnWpA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to