Schrodinger's cat problem; proposed solution

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Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 13/12/2017 2:12 am, smitra wrote: On 12-12-2017 12:33, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 9:46 pm, smitra wrote: Yes, it's only an estimation but it yields a good order of magnitude estimate for the center of mass. What the calculation shows is that quantum superpositions do exists at

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 10:14:01 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On 13/12/2017 2:12 am, smitra wrote: > > On 12-12-2017 12:33, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On 12/12/2017 9:46 pm, smitra wrote: > >>> > >>> Yes, it's only an estimation but it yields a good order of magnitude > >>> estimate for

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 13/12/2017 9:45 am, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 10:14:01 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: So Schrödinger's cat was once a coherent state of a cat in a box, and the splitting occurs with the decay of a nucleus; *Unlike the double slit experiment, which can

Re: Equivalence Principle and Einstein Field Equations

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 5:11 PM, wrote: ​>> ​ >> The Equivalence Principle says if >> ​you >> ignore tidal effects and you're in a windowless elevator cab there is no >> way to know if you're sitting on the Earth in a gravitational field or in >> deep intergalactic

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 10:52:12 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On 13/12/2017 9:45 am, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 10:14:01 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> >> So Schrödinger's cat was once a coherent state of a cat in a box, and >> the splitting occurs with

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 3:45 PM, wrote: ​> >>> ​>>​ >>> ​ >>> The fundamental unproven assumption, and IMO the core fallacy of the >>> MWI, is the belief that what CAN occur, necessarily MUST will occur. >>> >> >> ​>> ​ >> The >> ​ ​ >> fundamental >> ​ ​ >> assumption of

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 2:21:24 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 3:45 PM, > wrote: > > ​> > ​>>​ > ​ > The fundamental unproven assumption, and IMO the core fallacy of the MWI, > is the belief that what CAN occur, necessarily MUST will

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 12/12/2017 6:21 PM, John Clark wrote: ​>​ I've been saying all along that a conscious observer is not needed to create or destroy the interference ​ I know you have. And I've been asking all along exactly what is it that collapses the wave function. If its not an observer

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 12/12/2017 6:21 PM, John Clark wrote: ​> ​ He seemed to claim it negated the main claim of MWI, that everything that CAN happen, DOES happen. ​I don't see how.​ I pointed out that is inconsistent with SWE to say that anything possible actually happens.  "Possible" needs to

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 13/12/2017 11:41 am, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 10:52:12 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: On 13/12/2017 9:45 am, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 10:14:01 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: So Schrödinger's cat was once a coherent

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 5:55:59 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On 13/12/2017 11:41 am, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 10:52:12 PM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> On 13/12/2017 9:45 am, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 10:14:01 PM

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 12/12/2017 10:47 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Dec 2017, at 11:12, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 8:20 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Dec 2017, at 23:15, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 1:12 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 11/12/2017 2:19

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 12 Dec 2017, at 11:14, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 8:26 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Dec 2017, at 02:02, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 11:44 am, smitra wrote: On 11-12-2017 23:15, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 1:12 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38,

Re: Cosmological Red Shift

On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 4:31:39 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 3:09:19 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Sunday, December 10, 2017 at 8:07:15 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/10/2017 5:25 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >>> >>>

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 12/12/2017 10:55 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Dec 2017, at 11:14, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 8:26 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Dec 2017, at 02:02, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 11:44 am, smitra wrote: On 11-12-2017 23:15, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 1:12 am, Bruno

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 2:03:07 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > On 12/12/2017 12:29 pm, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 1:25:11 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> On 12/12/2017 12:18 pm, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 1:04:08 AM UTC,

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 11 Dec 2017, at 23:15, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 1:12 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 11/12/2017 2:19 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Dec 2017, at 00:03, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 9/12/2017 4:21 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: Similarly, a

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 12 Dec 2017, at 02:25, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 12:18 pm, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 1:04:08 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: On 12/12/2017 11:44 am, smitra wrote: > On 11-12-2017 23:15, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On 12/12/2017 1:12 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 12 Dec 2017, at 02:41, Brent Meeker wrote: On 12/11/2017 4:54 PM, smitra wrote: As I have said before, the biggest challenge for quantum physics is to explain the emergence of the classical world from the quantum substrate, so that classical calculations actually get the correct

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 12 Dec 2017, at 09:35, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 2:03:07 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: On 12/12/2017 12:29 pm, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 1:25:11 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: On 12/12/2017 12:18 pm, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 12 Dec 2017, at 02:02, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 11:44 am, smitra wrote: On 11-12-2017 23:15, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 1:12 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 11/12/2017 2:19 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Dec 2017, at 00:03,

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 12-12-2017 12:33, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 9:46 pm, smitra wrote: On 12-12-2017 02:20, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 11:39 am, smitra wrote: On 11-12-2017 23:11, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 1:51 am, smitra wrote: On 11-12-2017 15:12, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Dec

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 12/12/2017 8:31 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Dec 2017, at 02:25, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 12:18 pm, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 1:04:08 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: On 12/12/2017 11:44 am, smitra wrote: > On 11-12-2017 23:15, Bruce Kellett

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 12-12-2017 02:28, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 11:54 am, smitra wrote: On 11-12-2017 23:24, Bruce Kellett wrote: As I have said before, the biggest challenge for quantum physics is to explain the emergence of the classical world from the quantum substrate, so that classical

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 12-12-2017 02:20, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 11:39 am, smitra wrote: On 11-12-2017 23:11, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 1:51 am, smitra wrote: On 11-12-2017 15:12, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 11/12/2017 2:19 am, Bruno Marchal

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 12/12/2017 8:20 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Dec 2017, at 23:15, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 1:12 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 11/12/2017 2:19 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Dec 2017, at 00:03, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 9/12/2017 4:21

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 12/12/2017 8:26 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Dec 2017, at 02:02, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 11:44 am, smitra wrote: On 11-12-2017 23:15, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 1:12 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 11/12/2017 2:19 am, Bruno

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 12/12/2017 9:46 pm, smitra wrote: On 12-12-2017 02:20, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 11:39 am, smitra wrote: On 11-12-2017 23:11, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 1:51 am, smitra wrote: On 11-12-2017 15:12, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote: On

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 12/12/2017 9:44 pm, smitra wrote: On 12-12-2017 02:28, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 11:54 am, smitra wrote: On 11-12-2017 23:24, Bruce Kellett wrote: As I have said before, the biggest challenge for quantum physics is to explain the emergence of the classical world from the quantum

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 12-12-2017 02:41, Brent Meeker wrote: On 12/11/2017 4:54 PM, smitra wrote: As I have said before, the biggest challenge for quantum physics is to explain the emergence of the classical world from the quantum substrate, so that classical calculations actually get the correct answers in those

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 12 Dec 2017, at 11:12, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 8:20 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Dec 2017, at 23:15, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/12/2017 1:12 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Dec 2017, at 23:38, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 11/12/2017 2:19 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Dec 2017,

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 8:35:50 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 2:03:07 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> On 12/12/2017 12:29 pm, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 1:25:11 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On 12/12/2017