Norman Samish wrote:
To have free will, the actions of a SAO cannot be completely predictable.
To be free of complete predictability, at least some of the SAO's actions
must ultimately depend on some kind of random event. At the most
fundamental level, this must be quantum indeterminacy.
This is
Norman Samish wrote:
If free will simply means self-determination then
Jonathan is right, and to the extent we are self-determined
we have free will. He says, the only relevant question as
to whether our will is free is whether our conscious minds
(our selves) determine our actions.
Le 11-avr.-05, à 08:08, Jesse Mazer a écrit :
Norman Samish wrote:
To have free will, the actions of a SAO cannot be completely
predictable.
To be free of complete predictability, at least some of the SAO's
actions
must ultimately depend on some kind of random event. At the most
fundamental
Norman Samish wrote:
But what about the sufferers of schizophrenia who Stathis Papaioannou
referred to? They exercise self-determination, and their mental state is
such that their actions, at least in some cases, are completely
predictable.
Do they have free will?
Another example might be a
Stathis:
it is always dangerous (wrong!) to mix deviated cases (sick patients) with
the general (non sick) human (behavioral etc.) concepts.
One thing is even worse: to draw conclusions of such.
I wrote some comments in this thread lately and did not see them being
included in the list-posts. Am I
Bruno wrote:
Actually I am not sure I can put any meaning on the word free-will. My
old defense (in this and other list) was just a defense of the notion of
will. If someone can explain me how he/she distinguish free-will from
will, I would be glad.
Bruno
I currently consider Free Will to be a
I got something from you yesterday ... maybe you had an errant email
relay like I suffered yesterday.
On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 11:25:29AM -0400, John M wrote:
I wrote some comments in this thread lately and did not see them being
included in the list-posts. Am I banned from writing to the list?
John Mikes wrote:
The question of (in)determinacy within our judgement is model-related. A
distinction:
...free will to refer to conscious entities making indeterminate
choices... is as well the judgement of reasonability in our limited views.
There may be (hidden? undiscovered?) 'reasons'
Norman Samish wrote:
If free will simply means self-determination then Jonathan is
right, and to the extent we are self-determined we have free will. He
says, the only relevant question as to whether our will is free is
whether our conscious minds (our selves) determine our actions.
Apologies for double-posting. My dial-up account is rather unreliable.
Jonathan Colvin
Norman Samish wrote:
If free will simply means self-determination then Jonathan is
right, and to the extent we are self-determined we have
free will. He
says, the only relevant question as to
Russell Standish wrote:
On Mon, Apr 11, 2005 at 10:41:53PM +1000, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
It may be the case that quantum indeterminacy adds a random element
which
contributes to our experience of free will, but you are dismissing the
other theoretical possibility, which is that our brains
I have somewhat arbitrarily defined free will as voluntary actions that
are both self-determined by a Self-Aware Object, and are not predictable.
My reasoning is that if something is completely predictable, then there is
no option for change, hence no free will..
On this issue, Jonathan Colvin
On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 01:26:46PM +1000, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
I think this situation is essentially hypothetical. No machine is
completely deterministic - computers are designed to be as
deterministic as possible, but still suffer bit errors through
chance. Human brains, however,
John Mikes wrote:
Stathis:
it is always dangerous (wrong!) to mix deviated cases (sick patients) with
the general (non sick) human (behavioral etc.) concepts.
One thing is even worse: to draw conclusions of such.
I disagree with this, in general. In medical science, in particular, one of
the most
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