Re: a description of you + a description of billiard ball can bruise you?

2005-06-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 01-juin-05, à 17:24, scerir a écrit : Bruno Marchal: To be clear I have only proved that IF COMP is taken seriously enough THEN the appearance of a pre-existing physical world, including its stability, lawfulness ... MUST BE derivable from the relation between numbers. This is done. Then I

Julian Barbour (was: Re: objections to QTI)

2005-06-01 Thread Patrick Leahy
I read his book a year or so ago, so may be a bit hazy, but: Pour Bruno: he definitely does not want to talk about space-time capsules. Partly this is motivated by his metaphysical ideas about time, partly by the technicalities of the 3+1 (i.e. space+time, not persons!) approach to GR and

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-01 Thread Hal Ruhl
Hi All: In my view life is a component of the fastest path to heat death (equilibrium) in universes that have suitable thermodynamics. Thus there would be a built in pressure for such universes to contain life. Further I like Stephen Gould's idea that complex life arises because evolution

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-01 Thread scerir
Norman Samish This scenario that you are discussing reminds me of this interview with Julian Barbour where he proposes that time is an illusion. This reminds me of a good paper by Carlo Rovelli (about quantum gravity, GR, space-time, etc.) http://ws5.com/copy/time2.pdf in which he suggests

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-01 Thread aet.radal ssg
- Original Message - From: Bruno Marchal To: Saibal Mitra Subject: Re: objections to QTI Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:24:56 +0200 Le 01-juin-05, à 15:00, Saibal Mitra a écrit : Hi Norman,    I entirely agree with Julian Barbour. A fundamental notion of time would act

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-01 Thread Saibal Mitra
Hi Bruno, Patric has already explained Barbour's position (I didn't read his book). Separating space from time is not very natural... Perhaps one can use a similar method as presented here: http://arxiv.org/abs/math-ph/0008018 to derive the notion of space-time as a first person phenomena.

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-01 Thread Norman Samish
Hi Brent, There's no doubt that my imagination is not up to the task of coming up with reasonable explanations of all that I see. I could never imagine relativity, quantum mechanics, black holes, singularities, the Big Bang, infinite space, the multiverse, and Günter Wächtershäuser's

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-01 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Hal, It is possible that miracles will be as uncommon and surprising in your QTI-guaranteed future as they seem to be today. If you live to 1000, unlikely as it sounds at present, shouldn't you expect it to happen in the *least* unlikely way? This may involve advances in medicine initially,

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-01 Thread Saibal Mitra
Hi Norman, I entirely agree with Julian Barbour. A fundamental notion of time would act as a pointer indicating what is real (things that are happening now) and what was real and what will be real. Most of us here on the everything list believe that in a certain sense 'everything exists',

Re: objections to QTI

2005-06-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 01-juin-05, à 15:00, Saibal Mitra a écrit : Hi Norman,   I entirely agree with Julian Barbour. A fundamental notion of time would act as a pointer indicating what is real (things that are happening now) and what was real and what will be real. Most of us here on the everything list believe

Re: (offlist) RE: a description of you + a description of billiard ball can bruise you?

2005-06-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
Dear Stephen, With your permission, I answer an offlist post you sended to me and some others, Bruno, you claim that I assume a physical world. While I would agree with that claim to some degree, it misses the point that I am trying to make, just as Lee's interpretation of my idea as being

Re: a description of you + a description of billiard ball can bruise you?

2005-06-01 Thread scerir
Bruno Marchal: To be clear I have only proved that IF COMP is taken seriously enough THEN the appearance of a pre-existing physical world, including its stability, lawfulness ... MUST BE derivable from the relation between numbers. This is done. Then I got results confirming in part that comp can