Re: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 27-oct.-06, à 13:04, Quentin Anciaux a écrit : Hi Stathis, Le Vendredi 27 Octobre 2006 12:16, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : Here is another thought experiment. You are watching an object moving against a stationary background at a velocity of 10 m/s. Suddenly, the object seems to

Re: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 27-oct.-06, à 15:58, 1Z a écrit : If numbers aren't real at all they cannot generate reality (ITSIAR). You beg the question. Numbers are not physically real does not entails that numbers don't exist at all, unless you define real by physical real. The question you should ask is: are

Re: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 27-oct.-06, à 16:06, 1Z a écrit : Principally I mean in the physical universe, or in Plato's heaven. Bruno always sounds like a Platonist, but he keeps denying he is one. Quite the contrary. I vindicate that I am even a plotinist, or a neoplatonist if you prefer. I just don't share

Re: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-29 Thread David Nyman
1Z wrote: Peter, when you said that the physical might be 'relations all the way down', and I asked you what would you find if you went 'all the way down', you replied 'primary matter'. IOW, you posit primary matter as a 'bare substrate' to which are attached whatever properties theory

RE: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-10-29 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
David Nyman writes: I think we're in agreement, Stathis, but I'm trying to focus on a problem, and what I think is a non-trivial aspect of evolved brain functionality that would be required to overcome it. Of course, I agree with you that each aspect of the experience '.falls perfectly