Re: Asifism

2007-06-01 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 02/06/07, Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Which implies you really are conscious, because otherwise why would > > evolution have gone to the trouble of making *me* conscious if it could > > have got away without it? > > > > > > -- > > Stathis Papaioannou > > How do you know it was "tr

Re: Boltzmann brains

2007-06-01 Thread "Hal Finney"
Stathis Papaioannou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 01/06/07, "Hal Finney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The reference to Susskind is a paper we discussed here back > > in Aug 2002, Disturbing Implications of a Cosmological Constant, > > http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0208013 . The authors argued

Re: Asifism

2007-06-01 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On 01/06/07, *Torgny Tholerus* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > Stathis Papaioannou skrev: >> On 01/06/07, *Torgny Tholerus* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > wrote: >> >> I behave AS IF I am consci

Re: Asifism

2007-06-01 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On 01/06/07, *Torgny Tholerus* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > I am unconscious. > > I have no mind. I have no feelings. I have no perceptions. I am > not thinking. I am just a machine that claims that I am conscious

Re: Asifism

2007-06-01 Thread Torgny Tholerus
Bruno Marchal skrev: Le 01-juin-07, à 14:35, Torgny Tholerus a écrit : The only thing that exists is a lot of protons, neutrons, and electrons reacting with each other inside my brain. Are you *sure*? By the way, are you more sure about proton than about your belief in proton? Wh

Re: Asifism

2007-06-01 Thread Torgny Tholerus
Bruno Marchal skrev: > One more question: supposing you are correct, is it ethically wrong to > torture you? Is it ethically wrong to torture an entity without > consciousness (supposing we could be sure of that) even if it acts > like it was conscious? This is an interesting question. And the

Re: Asifism

2007-06-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 01-juin-07, à 14:35, Torgny Tholerus a écrit : > I am unconscious. > > I have no mind. I have no feelings. I have no perceptions. I am not > thinking. I am just a machine that claims that I am conscious. The > only thing that happens is a lot of chemical reactions in my brain. > (Or

Re: Asifism

2007-06-01 Thread John Mikes
Torgny: [[cute]] "SAIS W H O I found Stathis' reply before I read your tirade. I agree and add: I think you 'are' a typical 'voter'. (in the political sense). Have a life! John M On 6/1/07, Torgny Tholerus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am unconscious. > > I have no mind. I have no

Re: Asifism

2007-06-01 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 01/06/07, Torgny Tholerus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Stathis Papaioannou skrev: > > On 01/06/07, Torgny Tholerus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I behave AS IF I am conscious because the natural selection has favored > > that type of behavior. > > > > Which implies you really are conscious,

Re: Asifism

2007-06-01 Thread Torgny Tholerus
Stathis Papaioannou skrev: On 01/06/07, Torgny Tholerus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I behave AS IF I am conscious because the natural selection has favored that type of behavior. Which implies you really are conscious, because otherwise why would evolution have gone to the

Re: Asifism

2007-06-01 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 01/06/07, Torgny Tholerus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am unconscious. > > I have no mind. I have no feelings. I have no perceptions. I am not > thinking. I am just a machine that claims that I am conscious. The only > thing that happens is a lot of chemical reactions in my brain. (Or >

Re: Boltzmann brains

2007-06-01 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 01/06/07, "Hal Finney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The reference to Susskind is a paper we discussed here back > in Aug 2002, Disturbing Implications of a Cosmological Constant, > http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0208013 . The authors argued that in current > cosmological models the universe dies a