Re: adult vs. child

2009-02-08 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/2/9 Jack Mallah : > You might die between 4 and 30, but the chance is fairly small, let's say 10% > for the sake of argument. So, if we just consider these two ages, the > effective probability of being 30 would be a little less than that of being 4 > - not enough less to draw any conclu

Re: adult vs. child

2009-02-08 Thread Jack Mallah
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > Suppose you differentiate into N states, then on > average each has 1/N of your original measure. I guess > that's why you think the measure decreases. But the sum > of the measures is N/N of the original. > > I still find this confusing. Your

Re: Born rule

2009-02-08 Thread Jack Mallah
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, russell standish wrote: > He must have some model in mind which tells us how > the "amplitude" of the branches relates to the "amplitude" of the > original state. The Schrodinger equation is linear and unitary. As long as it applies (in other words, assuming the MWI, so no

RE: briefly wading back into the fray - re: dualism

2009-02-08 Thread Jack Mallah
So far the responses here have not been as hostile as I feared :) --- On Sat, 2/7/09, Jesse Mazer wrote: > are you open to the idea > that there might be truths about subjectivity (such as > truths about what philosophers call 'qualia') which > cannot be reduced to purely physical statements? Ar

Re: [kevintr...@hotmail.com: Jacques Mallah]

2009-02-08 Thread russell standish
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 09:34:30PM -0500, Jesse Mazer wrote: > > > > > > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:02:31 +1100 > > From: li...@hpcoders.com.au > > To: everything-l...@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: [kevintr...@hotmail.com: Jacques Mallah] > > > > > All I have ever said was that effective p

RE: [kevintr...@hotmail.com: Jacques Mallah]

2009-02-08 Thread Jesse Mazer
> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:02:31 +1100 > From: li...@hpcoders.com.au > To: everything-l...@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [kevintr...@hotmail.com: Jacques Mallah] > > All I have ever said was that effective probability given by the > squared norm of the projected eigenvector does not follow

Re: [kevintr...@hotmail.com: Jacques Mallah]

2009-02-08 Thread russell standish
On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 08:33:52PM -0500, Jesse Mazer wrote: > > > > > > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:47:02 +1100 > > From: li...@hpcoders.com.au > > To: everything-l...@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: [kevintr...@hotmail.com: Jacques Mallah] > > > > > > Jesse, you need to fix up your email cl

RE: [kevintr...@hotmail.com: Jacques Mallah]

2009-02-08 Thread Jesse Mazer
> From: laserma...@hotmail.com> To: everything-l...@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [kevintr...@hotmail.com: Jacques Mallah]> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 20:33:52 -0500>> I don't understand, why is this implied by what Jacques or I said? My comment was that the

RE: [kevintr...@hotmail.com: Jacques Mallah]

2009-02-08 Thread Jesse Mazer
> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:47:02 +1100 > From: li...@hpcoders.com.au > To: everything-l...@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [kevintr...@hotmail.com: Jacques Mallah] > > > Jesse, you need to fix up your email client to follow the usual > quoting conventions, wrap lines etc. I'm using hotmail,

Re: [kevintr...@hotmail.com: Jacques Mallah]

2009-02-08 Thread russell standish
Jesse, you need to fix up your email client to follow the usual quoting conventions, wrap lines etc. Below is how your text appears in mine: On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 06:46:04AM -0500, Jesse Mazer wrote: > > Russell Standish wrote:> > According to Wikipedia, Born's rule is that the > probability

Re: COMP, Quantum Logic and Gleason's Theorem

2009-02-08 Thread John Mikes
Günther, *please see inserted in "JM:" lines* John On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Günther Greindl wrote: > > John, > > my way to the "number reality" was convoluted, but in looking back maybe > two books could give you the central idea: > > Lakoff and Nunez: Where does mathematics come from, >

Re: briefly wading back into the fray

2009-02-08 Thread Günther Greindl
Hello Jack, > I could tell you what's wrong with his MGA, but I'm here to deal with the QS > paper first. I appreciate your prioritizing your paper, but I would be interested in what you find wrong with the MGA. By the way, as I mentioned in a previous mail to John, my departure from materia

Re: COMP, Quantum Logic and Gleason's Theorem

2009-02-08 Thread Günther Greindl
Dear Bruno, >> Some of these books I have already read (Boolos), > You mean read with pencil and paper? Well no *grin* - it was the adopted textbook in one of the courses I took, and I did the assigned exercises, but now flipping through the book I realize I must go back to it again - more than

Re: COMP, Quantum Logic and Gleason's Theorem

2009-02-08 Thread Günther Greindl
John, my way to the "number reality" was convoluted, but in looking back maybe two books could give you the central idea: Lakoff and Nunez: Where does mathematics come from, which argues that numbers arise from evolutionary considerations (materialist in tenor, Platonia etc ruled out). The n

Re: consciousness and self-awareness

2009-02-08 Thread Günther Greindl
Brian, Tononi's information integration view of consciousness might fit your bill. Overview: http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/jun08/6315 Paper (open access): http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2202/5/42 Cheers, Günther Brian Tenneson wrote: > Dear Everything List, > > Tegmark mentioned in an arti

Re: The Seventh Step (Preamble)

2009-02-08 Thread Günther Greindl
'Tis poetry! Kim, Bruno, thanks for this wonderful dialog. Most beautiful stuff I've read in a long time - and so spontaneous. Cheers, Günther Bruno Marchal wrote: > Hi Kim, > > I have not the time to think deeply on zero, so I will answer your last > post instead :) > > > On 05 Feb 2009,

Re: briefly wading back into the fray

2009-02-08 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/2/8 Jack Mallah : > Suppose you differentiate into N states, then on average each has 1/N of your > original measure. I guess that's why you think the measure decreases. But > the sum of the measures is N/N of the original. > > This is trivially obvious so I saw no reason to mention it e

RE: [kevintr...@hotmail.com: Jacques Mallah]

2009-02-08 Thread Jesse Mazer
Russell Standish wrote:> > According to Wikipedia, Born's rule is that the probability of an> observed result \lambda_i is given by <\psi|P_i|\psi>, where P_i is the> projection onto the eigenspace corresponding to \lambda_i of the> observable. > > This formula is only correct if \psi is normal

Re: briefly wading back into the fray

2009-02-08 Thread russell standish
On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 10:05:14AM -0800, Jack Mallah wrote: > > --- On Fri, 2/6/09, russell standish wrote: > > So sorry Jacques - you need to do better. I'm sure you can! > > Russell, I expected there might be some discussion of my latest eprint on > this list. That's why I'm here now - to