Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-24 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > 2009/4/25 Brent Meeker : > > >> This implicitly assumes that you can dispense with the continuum and >> treat the process as a succession of discrete states. I question that. >> > > So are you saying that, because we are conscious, that is evidence > that real

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-24 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > 2009/4/24 Brent Meeker : > > >>> Boltzmann brains are improbable, but the example of the punchcards is >>> not. The operator could have two punchcards in his pocket, have a >>> conversation with someone on the way from M1 to M2 and end up >>> forgetting or almost fo

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-24 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/4/25 Brent Meeker : > This implicitly assumes that you can dispense with the continuum and > treat the process as a succession of discrete states.  I question that. So are you saying that, because we are conscious, that is evidence that reality is at bottom continuous rather than discrete?

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-24 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/4/24 Brent Meeker : >> Boltzmann brains are improbable, but the example of the punchcards is >> not. The operator could have two punchcards in his pocket, have a >> conversation with someone on the way from M1 to M2 and end up >> forgetting or almost forgetting which is the right one. That i

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-24 Thread Brent Meeker
Jason Resch wrote: > Kelly, > > Your arguments are compelling and logical, you have put a lot of doubt > in my mind about computationalism. I have actually been in somewhat > of a state of confusion since Bruno's movie graph argument coupled > with a paper by Max Tegmark. In Tegmark's paper, he

logic mailing list

2009-04-24 Thread Abram Demski
Hi all, I'm starting a mailing list for logic, and I figured some people from here might be interested. http://groups.google.com/group/one-logic I've looked around for a high-quality group that discusses these things, but I haven't really found one. The logic-oriented mailing lists I've seen ar

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Apr 2009, at 06:14, Kelly wrote: > > On Apr 22, 12:24 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> So for that to be a plausible scenario we have to >>> say that a person at a particular instant in time can be fully >>> described by some set of data. >> >> Not fully. I agree with Brent that you need an i

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Apr 2009, at 02:37, Kelly wrote: > > On Apr 22, 2:02 pm, Brent Meeker wrote: >> I was with you up to that last sentence. Forward or backward, we >> just >> experience increasing entropy as increasing time, but that doesn't >> warrant the conclusion that no process is required and an "i

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-24 Thread Jason Resch
Kelly, Your arguments are compelling and logical, you have put a lot of doubt in my mind about computationalism. I have actually been in somewhat of a state of confusion since Bruno's movie graph argument coupled with a paper by Max Tegmark. In Tegmark's paper, he was explaining that there is a