Re: advice needed for Star Trek talk

Ronald, There is also a thread with some other good justifications for the belief in everything: https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list/browse_thread/thread/6c77322d47582932/16f35cf51ed74d1c?lnk=gst&q=wei+dai#16f35cf51ed74d1c Jason On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Jason Resch wrote:

Re: Against Mechanism

On 11/27/2010 1:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Rex Allen > wrote: Even if you have used some physical system (like a computer) that can be interpreted as executing an algorithm that manipulates bits that can be interpreted

Re: Compatibilism

On 11/27/2010 12:53 PM, Rex Allen wrote: On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 7:44 AM, 1Z wrote: On Nov 26, 6:31 am, Rex Allen wrote: Any defense of "free will" must allow for ultimate responsibility for actions. Mine does Random events don't qualify as free will. A deterministi

Re: Against Mechanism

On 11/27/2010 11:21 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 27.11.2010 20:08 1Z said the following: On Nov 27, 6:49 pm, Rex Allen wrote: Given that there are an infinite number of ways that your information could be represented, how likely is it that your experience really is caused by a biological br

Re: Against Mechanism

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Rex Allen wrote: > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Rex Allen > wrote: > >> > >> But I also deny that mechanism can account for consciousness (except > >> by fiat declaration that it does). > >> > > > > Re

Re: Compatibilism

On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 7:44 AM, 1Z wrote: > On Nov 26, 6:31 am, Rex Allen wrote: >> Any defense of "free will" must allow for ultimate responsibility for >> actions. > > Mine does Random events don't qualify as free will. A deterministic process doesn't qualify as free will. Random events fe

Re: advice needed for Star Trek talk

Ron, I think the most convincing approach is to start with how unlikely a universe with life is. I like how Loenard Susskind explains it here: http://www.closertotruth.com/video-profile/Is-the-Universe-Fine-Tuned-for-Life-and-Mind-Leonard-Susskind-/431 There are a few other approaches, such as

Re: Compatibilism

On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 7:17 AM, 1Z wrote: > On Nov 26, 6:01 am, Rex Allen wrote: >> So Agrippa's Trilemma revolves around the question of how we can >> justify our beliefs. >> >> It seems to me that an entirely acceptable solution is just to accept >> that we can't justify our beliefs. > > ..in

Re: Against Mechanism

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 2:08 PM, 1Z wrote: > > > On Nov 27, 6:49 pm, Rex Allen wrote: > >> Given that there are an infinite number of ways that your information >> could be represented, how likely is it that your experience really is >> caused by a biological brain?  Or even by a representation o

Re: Against Mechanism

on 27.11.2010 20:08 1Z said the following: On Nov 27, 6:49 pm, Rex Allen wrote: Given that there are an infinite number of ways that your information could be represented, how likely is it that your experience really is caused by a biological brain? Or even by a representation of a biologic

Re: Against Mechanism

On Nov 27, 6:49 pm, Rex Allen wrote: > Given that there are an infinite number of ways that your information > could be represented, how likely is it that your experience really is > caused by a biological brain?  Or even by a representation of a > biological brain? Occam's razor: BIV, matrix

Against Mechanism

On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Rex Allen wrote: >> >> But I also deny that mechanism can account for consciousness (except >> by fiat declaration that it does). >> > > Rex, > I am interested in your reasoning against mechanism. Assume there

Re: advice needed for Star Trek talk

Jason(and any others) Both. Level IV Universe is hard to explain even if real. Bruno's reality is equally hard to convincing present. Ronald On Nov 26, 12:02 am, Jason Resch wrote: > On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:50 PM, ronaldheld wrote: > > Jason: > >  I see what y

Re: Compatibilism

On 26 Nov 2010, at 22:55, Brent Meeker wrote: On 11/26/2010 12:33 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Nov 2010, at 22:38, Rex Allen wrote: How does ignorance of what choice you will make lead to ultimate responsibility for that choice? Because I can have a pretty good pictures of the alterna