On Nov 25, 2012, at 12:29 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 11/24/2012 4:22 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 5:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 11/24/2012 10:52 AM, John Clark wrote:
But consider what would happen before they open the boxes.
On 24 Nov 2012, at 19:52, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 4:55 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote
Position is a very poor way to establish personal identity,
UDA has been build so that we can understand how the laws of
physics amerge from arithmetic (or anything Turing
On 25 Nov 2012, at 01:22, Jason Resch wrote:
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 5:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 11/24/2012 10:52 AM, John Clark wrote:
But consider what would happen before they open the boxes. Bruno
Marchal is exactly duplicated and one copy materializes in
On 24 Nov 2012, at 14:04, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
If the body is reconstituted in Helsinki from a computer program,
The phrasing is ambiguous. It is the program in your brain which is
copied and theh reconstituted in Helsinki (with the help of physical
machines and diverses
On 24 Nov 2012, at 14:53, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
OK, I kept thinking that in comp, the computer calculations
had to do everything.
The phrasing is ambiguous. The computer calculations, or equivalently
the (sigma_1) arithmetical relation makes only virtual physics, and
On 24 Nov 2012, at 17:44, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno,
OK, suppose that comp works, but that it
doesn't include consciousness.
?
By definition comp assumes an invariance of consciousness for some
transformation. So I have no clue what you mean by comp non includuing
consciousness.
Do
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
You can identify your past state as one that produced your present
state, but it's hard to identify with your future state when you don't know
what it will be.
I don't see why one's knowledge (partial or complete) is required to
Hi Cowboy,
On 24 Nov 2012, at 19:52, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
Hi Everybody,
At several points the discussions of the list led us to hypothesis
of arithmetic truth. Bruno mentioned once that the basis for this
hypothesis was quite strong, requiring studies in logic to grasp.
You
Hi Bruno Marchal
OK, I think I may understand the issue of consciousness.
Comp is what the brain does in the flesh, then
consciousness is a product of what the brain does .
Comp is associated to the brain, but not to consciousness at least directly.
Is that right ?
[Roger Clough],
On 11/25/2012 9:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Nov 2012, at 14:00, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
Poincare had a lot to say on intuition vs logic in mathematics.
For one thing, the idea of continuity is an intuition.
http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/Extras/Poincare_Intuition.html
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 5:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But strictly speaking they cannot be identical. For example it is
statistically certain that they will be thinking different thoughts as they
revive from the transport.
I don't know what statistics you're referring to but
On 11/25/2012 6:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 25 Nov 2012, at 01:22, Jason Resch wrote:
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 5:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 11/24/2012 10:52 AM, John Clark wrote:
But consider what would happen before they open
On 11/25/2012 1:21 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 5:15 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But strictly speaking they cannot be identical. For example it is
statistically
certain that they will be thinking different thoughts as they
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Hi Cowboy,
On 24 Nov 2012, at 19:52, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
Hi Everybody,
At several points the discussions of the list led us to hypothesis of
arithmetic truth. Bruno mentioned once that the basis for this
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