Re: Re: Is God created ?

Hi Richard Ruquist Perhaps you can just define or describe compactification in general terms. Is it compactification of dimensions ? - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-01, 13:30:36 Subject: Re: Is God created ? On Fri,

Re: multiverses and quantum computers

On 2/1/2013 12:46 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Bruno, On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: On 31 Jan 2013, at 15:15, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes Perhaps you're right, but to my limited knowledge, a quantum has infinite pa

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

On Feb 1, 7:51 pm, Craig Weinberg wrote: > On Friday, February 1, 2013 12:26:43 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > >  Hi socr...@bezeqint.net > > > Feynman was wrong.  Life isn't physics, > > it's intelligence or consciousness, free will. > > If we understand that physics is actually experience, then

Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space

On 2/1/2013 3:52 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, February 1, 2013 2:29:21 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 2/1/2013 8:07 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, February 1, 2013 12:12:17 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 1/31/2013 6:12 PM, Craig Weinberg wrot

Re: Re: [Metadiscussion] Off topic posting on the everything-list

On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 11:30:39AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy > > Nothing human is off-topic to me. > Which suggests that materialism and brain science are off-topic. By contrast, discussion of materialism and neuroscience is definitely on-topic, and has often been d

Re: Mathematical Multiverse

On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 11:32:27AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Russell Standish > > If one is a Platonist one cannot avoid using Berkeley's rescue package. > In section 9.3 of my book, I mention at least three different alternatives, of which Berkeley's was one. Please tell me what is so in

Comp: Geometry Is A Zombie

I have mentioned this before, but it keeps haunting me. If geometry did not exist. Could you invent it with mathematics alone? And if you could do that... Why would you? For instance: A triangle can be defined mathematically in different ways, but without the inherently geometric presentation

Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space

On Friday, February 1, 2013 2:29:21 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 2/1/2013 8:07 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 1, 2013 12:12:17 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: >> >> On 1/31/2013 6:12 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, January 31, 2013

Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space

On 2/1/2013 8:07 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, February 1, 2013 12:12:17 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 1/31/2013 6:12 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:38:28 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 1/31/2013 4:46 PM, Telmo Menezes wr

Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space

On 2/1/2013 5:20 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote: On 1/31/2013 4:46 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: What's an entity? Any system whose canonical description can be associated with some kind of fi

Re: There are no reasons to believe in God

On Friday, February 1, 2013 12:29:10 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > Hi Bruno Marchal > > There are no reasons to believe in God > any more than there were reasons, > as an infant, to trust your mother. > Infants only trust their mother because they have no expectation of distrust. That's why t

Re: Re: Science is a religion by itself.

On Friday, February 1, 2013 12:26:43 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > Hi socr...@bezeqint.net > > Feynman was wrong. Life isn't physics, > it's intelligence or consciousness, free will. > If we understand that physics is actually experience, then life, intelligence, consciousness, free will,

Re: Is God created ?

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 01 Feb 2013, at 14:15, Richard Ruquist wrote: > >> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:46 AM, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 Richard Ruquist wrote: >>> > In my metaphysical string cosmology god is created by the > compact

Re: Re: multiverses and quantum computers

Hi Bruno, I can't see that superposition of states is any more magical in one universe than, say, multiple roots to an equation, or imaginary numbers. What matters is whether they are true states or not. And truth is not magical. - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes R

Re: Re: multiverses and quantum computers

Hi Bruno Marchal Shouldn't it be multiwavicles rather than a multiverse ? Occam's razor suggests that. Why ? Mathematics is nonphysical, so I would think that superposition of states is also nonphysical, thus needing no other physical universe to be referred to than the one it was originally co

Life in Leibniz/Platonia

Hi Bruno Marchal We are our memory, which is timeless and so part of Platonia, although it is continually added to, so changes in that respect. Still, it is our identity, our soul. Being in Platonia, even if forgotten, it survives death, which is somewhat agreeable with the Christian concept of H

Why Peirce's triad is more complete than 1p->3p

Hi Bruno Marchal Good. And I should have said, rather than "I cannot prove that", instead, "i don't need to prove that any more than that, as an infant, in fact I trusted my mother." The error is never in the perception (Firstness) , for that is what you actually perceive or feel, the error i

There are no reasons to believe in God

Hi Bruno Marchal There are no reasons to believe in God any more than there were reasons, as an infant, to trust your mother. - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-01, 10:12:53 Subject: Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIA

Re: Re: Science is a religion by itself.

Hi socra...@bezeqint.net Feynman was wrong. Life isn't physics, it's intelligence or consciousness, free will. - Receiving the following content - From: socra...@bezeqint.net Receiver: Everything List Time: 2013-01-30, 22:06:54 Subject: Re: Science is a religion by itself. Quantu

The faith of a child has no reason

Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy Faith (trust) is a gift from God, you can't do anything about it except to accept or reject the gift. As a child, you didn't have to decide whether to trust your mother, you just did. And for no reason. - Receiving the following content - From: Platonist Gu

Re: Re: Is God created ?

Hi Richard Ruquist It's not just semantics if you know the difference between the nonphysical (God) and the physical (stuff in spacetime). - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-31, 19:57:54 Subject: Re: Is God created ? T

Re: [Metadiscussion] Off topic posting on the everything-list

On 01 Feb 2013, at 09:57, Kim Jones wrote: "akin to FRACKING" - to hell with bloody auto spell correct K On 01/02/2013, at 7:48 PM, Kim Jones wrote: The other thing is, there may well be other fora and lists to discuss posts someone wishes to define as "metadiscussion" but that does

Re: multiverses and quantum computers

On 01 Feb 2013, at 09:46, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Bruno, On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 Jan 2013, at 15:15, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes Perhaps you're right, but to my limited knowledge, a quantum has infinite paths available between points A and

Re: Is God created ?

On 01 Feb 2013, at 14:15, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:46 AM, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 Richard Ruquist wrote: In my metaphysical string cosmology god is created by the compactification of space dimensions. Then God was created just like we were and it'

An entity is a substance or monad, by Leibniz's definition

An entity seems to be what Leibniz called a substance or monad. Definition of ENTITY 1 a : being, existence; especially : independent, separate, or self-contained existence b : the existence of a thing as contrasted with its attributes 2 : something that has separate and distinct existence and o

Re: Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space

Hi Stephen P. King - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-31, 17:38:28 Subject: Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space On 1/31/2013 4:46 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: What's an entity? Any system whose cano

Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

On 31 Jan 2013, at 09:38, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal The block universe is the physical universe. So we are not part of it, for it does not allow subjectivity, which is nonphysical. Or mathematics or comp, which are also nonphysical. But you have to explain the relation between bot

Re: Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space

Hi Stephen P. King But being a Christian, a Platonist, or yogacara, there IS only one entity. - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-31, 13:10:01 Subject: Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space IMHO more th

The One as universal, active memory (the Cosmic Octopus theory explaining Sheldrake)

Hi Stephen P. King Yes, morals are of anthropological or sociological origin and so are created by usage, like the meanings of words. They are also spread by usage (customs, laws, etc.) You may stop there, but personally, being a Platonist and student of Leibniz, I go a little farther and belie

Re: Re: [Metadiscussion] Off topic posting on the everything-list

Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy Nothing human is off-topic to me. Which suggests that materialism and brain science are off-topic. - Receiving the following content - From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-31, 11:29:36 Subject: Re: [Metadiscussion] Off topic p

Re: Mathematical Multiverse

Hi Russell Standish If one is a Platonist one cannot avoid using Berkeley's rescue package. - Receiving the following content - From: Russell Standish Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-31, 17:54:16 Subject: Mathematical Multiverse On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 09:01:50AM -0500, Rog

Re: How can we reestablish moral values in our homes, our schools, and in the media ?

On 30 Jan 2013, at 17:20, Roger Clough wrote: How can we reestablish moral values in our homes, our schools, and in the media ? How about starting with the Golden Rule (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you)? To tell you the truth, that covers about everything. We can't jud

Re: Is God created ?

On Friday, February 1, 2013 10:35:22 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: > > It seems to me that is what most of us do on this list, > is to worship or at least try to validate and dignify arithmetics > as the source of physical laws as well as energy, matter and > consciousness. > > In my opinion, arit

Re: Facts vs values

On 30 Jan 2013, at 12:23, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2013/1/30 Roger Clough Hi Bruno Marchal, When I read the Bible, it is a subjective act, but not my own subjective act alonw, it is contained in the subjectivity of the Holy Spirit. I´m afraid that when the bible and the Holy Spirit is pu

context, comp, and multiverses

Hi Bruno Marchal I would think that each universe provides its own distinctive context to any calculation, including comp. So I wonder why you seem to endorse (or at least don't deny) a multiverse. - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time

Re: Sensing the presence of God

On 30 Jan 2013, at 11:58, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal That is, if comp actually works. Is there any experimental proof available ? Comp is the hypothesis by default, as it is far simpler than non-comp, and there are no evidence at all for non-comp, just feeling by some people ha

Re: Is there an aether ?

On 30 Jan 2013, at 11:55, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Theology is an objective, derivative. human pursuit based on reason, and reason, acccording to my Lutheran beliefs, being objective (3p), cannot be free of error. OK. Only the consciousness root of our subjectivity is undoubtable

Re: Is God created ?

It seems to me that is what most of us do on this list, is to worship or at least try to validate and dignify arithmetics as the source of physical laws as well as energy, matter and consciousness. In my opinion, arithmetics comes from the dimensional compactification that results in a cubic latti

Re: Facts, values, and "Non-overlapping magisteria"

On 30 Jan 2013, at 11:39, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal The religion I refer to is grounded in subjectivity, that is to say, trust (1p), not 3p. Experience, not deswcriptions. Science is based not on experience, but on descriptions, 3p. Not really. We have to do experiences, but we c

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

On 31 Jan 2013, at 19:42, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 Bruno Marchal wrote: > i don't believe in the GOD in which you don't believe in. Then what are we arguing about? Are we arguing about science or mathematics or philosophy, or are we just arguing about first grade vocabular

Re: Is God created ?

On Friday, February 1, 2013 8:15:57 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:46 AM, John Clark > > wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 Richard Ruquist > > wrote: > > > >> > In my metaphysical string cosmology god is created by the > >> > compactification of space dimensions. > >

Re: Is God created ?

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:46 AM, John Clark wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 Richard Ruquist wrote: > >> > In my metaphysical string cosmology god is created by the >> > compactification of space dimensions. > > > Then God was created just like we were and it's rather silly to worship Him; > if you

Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space

On Friday, February 1, 2013 12:12:17 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 1/31/2013 6:12 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 31, 2013 5:38:28 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: >> >> On 1/31/2013 4:46 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> What's an entity? >> >> >> Any

Re: About the Infinite Repetition of Histories in Space

On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 1/31/2013 4:46 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > What's an entity? > > > Any system whose canonical description can be associated with some > kind of fixed point theorem. > Ok, do you figure that a human being can be considered an enti

Re: [Metadiscussion] Off topic posting on the everything-list

"akin to FRACKING" - to hell with bloody auto spell correct K On 01/02/2013, at 7:48 PM, Kim Jones wrote: > The other thing is, there may well be other fora and lists to discuss posts > someone wishes to define as "metadiscussion" but that does not mean that > there exists the same quality

Re: [Metadiscussion] Off topic posting on the everything-list

The other thing is, there may well be other fora and lists to discuss posts someone wishes to define as "metadiscussion" but that does not mean that there exists the same quality of thinkers on those other lists and fora as there do on this particular one with whom you might have insightful exch

Re: multiverses and quantum computers

Hi Bruno, On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 31 Jan 2013, at 15:15, Roger Clough wrote: > > Hi Telmo Menezes > > Perhaps you're right, but to my limited knowledge, > a quantum has infinite paths available between > points A and B without invoking another universe. > >