Re: Book: Revolutions of Scientific Structure (book section 1/2)

2014-09-13 Thread Terren Suydam
On Sep 13, 2014 1:49 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Yes, I agree that there's bound to be some anthropic selection, although I'm not sure why a Newtonian universe is ruled out by that. Quantum physics, as we've formulated it depends on a continuum. Brent, Can you elaborate on why

Re: Book: Revolutions of Scientific Structure (book section 1/2)

2014-09-13 Thread meekerdb
On 9/13/2014 6:12 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: On Sep 13, 2014 1:49 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Yes, I agree that there's bound to be some anthropic selection, although I'm not sure why a Newtonian universe is ruled out by that. Quantum physics, as

Re: Book: Revolutions of Scientific Structure (book section 1/2)

2014-09-13 Thread LizR
Well, me neither, but it includes infinities - atoms would probably collapse - etc. But just a guess hence the provisos. Personally I would imagine most mathematical universes wouldn't support life though. On 13 September 2014 17:49, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 9/12/2014 10:25 PM,

Causing the 2nd revolution of scientific structure

2014-09-13 Thread ColinHales
Hi Liz, Mike, et.al. It's time for the nature/descriptions of it/math relationship to undergo some formal attention by science. Discussions of the options we have in how we humans behave when describing the universe, in any other human social context, would be the job of a *governing

Re: Book: Revolutions of Scientific Structure (book section 1/2)

2014-09-13 Thread meekerdb
On 9/13/2014 1:10 PM, LizR wrote: Well, me neither, but it includes infinities - atoms would probably collapse - etc. The Hilbert space for an atom, even a hydrogen atom, is infinite dimensional. But just a guess hence the provisos. Personally I would imagine most mathematical universes

Re: Causing the 2nd revolution of scientific structure

2014-09-13 Thread Richard Ruquist
Colin, I very strongly disagree with your intentions even though I believe in a dual-aspect reality. Science does very well right now based on experimental confirmation of hypothesis. Your first step should be to establish how a dual-aspect science can be experimentally verified. Frankly you have

Re: Book: Revolutions of Scientific Structure (book section 1/2)

2014-09-13 Thread Kim Jones
On 13 Sep 2014, at 4:57 am, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: Zero, even though they were all superstars and doing quite well for themselves. Sure, there are examples

Re: Causing the 2nd revolution of scientific structure

2014-09-13 Thread Kim Jones
On 14 Sep 2014, at 8:33 am, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: I am going to have a go at establishing a forum for the first act of science self-governance in the modern era. Nothing governs itself. Everything is in the clutches of some agenda or other for better or worse -

Re: Book: Revolutions of Scientific Structure (book section 1/2)

2014-09-13 Thread Terren Suydam
Thanks Brent. If you could prove it would be impossible to formulate a quantum theory without continuous values and probabilities, that would be ironic. Terren On Sep 13, 2014 12:05 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 9/13/2014 6:12 AM, Terren Suydam wrote: On Sep 13, 2014 1:49 AM,

Re: Book: Revolutions of Scientific Structure (book section 1/2)

2014-09-13 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 1:46 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: It's not really that profound methinks, though I enjoy greatly your detailing of the fascinating love/hate between Gus and Arnie. Actually they were a couple of Jewish intellectuals competing with each other in the way

Re: Book: Revolutions of Scientific Structure (book section 1/2)

2014-09-13 Thread LizR
On 14 September 2014 10:32, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 9/13/2014 1:10 PM, LizR wrote: Well, me neither, but it includes infinities - atoms would probably collapse - etc. The Hilbert space for an atom, even a hydrogen atom, is infinite dimensional. Of course, but Newtonian