On 26 April 2015 at 13:07, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Nonsense. He was in poor health and he had long suffered drastic swings
in mood. Today he would be diagnosed as bipolar. He also had reason to
be depressed because his ideas were rejected on the Continent. They were
Enjoy. Evgenii
Donald David Hoffman, Chetan Prakash, Objects of consciousness,
Frontiers in Psychology, v. 5, N 00577, 2014.
http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fpsyg.2014.00577/full
“We develop the dynamics of interacting conscious agents, and study how
the perception of objects
On 26 Apr 2015, at 00:19, meekerdb wrote:
On 4/25/2015 2:10 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 25 Apr 2015, at 02:29, meekerdb wrote:
On 4/24/2015 3:05 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2015-04-24 22:33 GMT+02:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 4/24/2015 5:25 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
That seems
Uncertainty is not the same than the certainty of obliteration, as
Boltzmann I suppose that he felt. Freemann Dyson tried to overcome the
Boltzmannian conclussions not for a intellectual exercise, but as a serious
treat to the vital perspectives of people here and now.
Uncertainty is not
On 25 Apr 2015, at 17:58, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
a destructive upload should be possible, and a conservative upload
would give you a 50-50 chance of finding yourself uploaded.
Would give who a 50-50 chance of being uploaded?
If there is
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
I don't care I'm not picky it's your choice; you can't provide a
definition so just give me a example, any example, of God.
Arithmetical truth, Analytical truth, Physical truth, The God of the
Jews, The One of Plotinus The Noùs
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:26 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/22/2015 2:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
No, you don't. Reread jason detailed post of last year please.
Who elected Jason to speak for most people on the planet? Did he take a
survey?
I spoke for no one. I only
What happens with the (unconscious) nominalists is that you fight the
details while ignoring the categories. I have the least interest in
discussing the life of Boltzmann or anyone. What is important for me is to
stress that suicide and depression is a form of social apoptosis.
2015-04-26 3:07
On 26 April 2015 at 19:43, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
What happens with the (unconscious) nominalists is that you fight the
details while ignoring the categories. I have the least interest in
discussing the life of Boltzmann or anyone. What is important for me is to
stress
On 26 April 2015 at 02:19, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
that is guaranteed if you can duplicate - or, apparently, just simulate
- the quantum state of your body
That would be VAST overkill! The quantum state of your body changes about a
hundred thousand million billion trillion
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 12:22:21PM -0500, Jason Resch wrote:
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au
wrote:
Not sure I follow you here. Arbitrary precision does not mean infinite
precision. If I want my calculation to be accurate to 300 digits, then
it can
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote:
This makes it even more important that we don’t blow it on our own little
world. Or perhaps it is evidence that *we are going to blow it* just like
every other species has on every other star
On 4/26/2015 1:50 PM, Dennis Ochei wrote:
Along another line of thought, the social construct of my identity is deeply dependent
on my mind being tied to a body that looks very much like the body it had yesterday. The
moment that assumption doesn't hold, punishment breaks down. You can no
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 01:50:47PM -0700, Dennis Ochei wrote:
indeed. The memory criterion reveals itself to be problematic the moment
you consider partial transfers. If you transfer all my memories, we've
decided, per the criterion, that I would wake up at the destination. But
what if you
On 4/26/2015 4:59 PM, John Clark wrote:
I wonder how a intelligent conscious being would react if it had full access to its
emotional control panel. Regardless of how well our life is going who among us would for
eternity opt out of becoming just a little bit happier if all it took was turning
On 4/25/2015 11:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
A muslim can agree that Allah verifies the definition above. An atheist can agree
that The material reality plays the role of God,
That already assumes that there is such a role. It's not in my play.
I am not sure I understand.
I don't think
On 4/26/2015 9:36 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:26 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/22/2015 2:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
No, you don't. Reread jason detailed post of last year please.
Who elected Jason to speak for
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 3:10 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/25/2015 11:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
A muslim can agree that Allah verifies the definition above. An atheist
can agree that The material reality plays the role of God,
That already assumes that there is such a
Evgeniy, I, for one, like your approach on the Hoffmann-Prokosh idea.
In my terms (Ccness = REPLY (reflection?) to RELATIONS definitely points to
the Berkeley wisdom (to accept as existing one must perceive the item, in
concise Latin: *ESSE* (to include into our worldview) *est PERCIPI*.
Whoops, accidentally hit send. As i was saying, at the mind fingerprinting
the government has to look for criminal memeplexes and render them inert.
For instance let's say a criminal memplex is composed of two major
subunits, the desire to commit the crime and the know-how to commit the
crime. If
On 26 Apr 2015, at 16:47, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
I don't care I'm not picky it's your choice; you can't provide
a definition so just give me a example, any example, of God.
Arithmetical truth, Analytical truth, Physical truth,
indeed. The memory criterion reveals itself to be problematic the moment
you consider partial transfers. If you transfer all my memories, we've
decided, per the criterion, that I would wake up at the destination. But
what if you transferred all but one memory? 75%? 50%? Via the sorites
paradox,
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:52 AM, Dennis Ochei do.infinit...@gmail.com
wrote:
In the thread discussing comp the topic of whether uploading is possible
came up. While tangentially related to comp, objections on the grounds of
practical impossibility miss the point. But! The topic is still very
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au
wrote:
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 11:27:26AM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote:
LizR wrote:
But there's no-cloning to consider - plus whether a simulated
quantum state is the same as a real one...
No-cloning of an unknown
WMAP was flawed according to the latest sky survey announced recently. The big
acceleration has long ago reversed and heat death here we come. Tipler's new
claims are wrapped in his theology, yet can be instructional none the less,
unless you feel that uploading and antimatter weapons are
On 26 Apr 2015, at 18:36, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:26 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 4/22/2015 2:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
No, you don't. Reread jason detailed post of last year please.
Who elected Jason to speak for most people on the planet? Did
Dear Brent,
I would agree that it is unclear what conscious agents introduced in the
paper have to do with human consciousness.
For me it was interesting to see that the cognitive science is close to
Kantian revolution (space and time are created by the mind) and that
Berkeley's to be is to
The reasons are wherever. Just hear depressed people or last writings of
suicide people. There are many other social adaptations like this. for
example the wite of the eyes.
b
But at the level of depression or suicide, moral feelings like for example
the self remorse when we do something bad to
I think the authors are more interested in being provocative than in being clear. For
example:
/The interface theory entails that these first two steps were mere warm up. The next step
in the intellectual history of H. sapiens is a big one. We must recognize that all of our
perceptions of
For whatever its worth. David Deustch's solution to grandfather paradox
eclipses this objection. Time travelers go back to a duplicate universe and
kill grand dad, or Jack the Ripper, before he can do harm to the people in his
lifespan. The travelers return to an unchanged world, but they did
On 4/26/2015 1:18 AM, LizR wrote:
On 26 April 2015 at 13:07, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
Nonsense. He was in poor health and he had long suffered drastic swings in mood.
Today he would be diagnosed as bipolar. He also had reason to be depressed
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 01:48:40PM +1200, LizR wrote:
According to the latest Scientific American, Moore's Law stopped working
about 10 years ago. I'm not sure if or how this affects the
prognostications for AIs, mind simulation etc, though.
The only thing that stopped 10 years ago was the
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
I gave you the definition.
You said there was no definition for God.
Then I gave example, not of God which I would assume, but that some
people assumed.
And now you say the examples of God that you gave are no good. So God
According to the latest Scientific American, Moore's Law stopped working
about 10 years ago. I'm not sure if or how this affects the
prognostications for AIs, mind simulation etc, though.
On 27 April 2015 at 11:59, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 12:22:21PM
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 10:55 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/26/2015 8:42 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
Why not move past the denial that some very particular and very specific
notion of God exists, and test other conceptions to see which one's work
and to what extent they serve as
On 4/26/2015 9:33 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 10:55 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/26/2015 8:42 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
Why not move past the denial that some very particular and very specific
notion of
God exists,
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 3:32 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/26/2015 9:36 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:26 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/22/2015 2:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
No, you don't. Reread jason detailed post of last year
On 4/26/2015 8:42 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
Why not move past the denial that some very particular and very specific notion of God
exists, and test other conceptions to see which one's work and to what extent they serve
as efficacious theories?
Because (a) I'm not denying a very particular and
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:20 PM, Bruce Kellett bhkell...@optusnet.com.au
wrote:
LizR wrote:
On 23 April 2015 at 13:24, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
So is chess real?
No, chess is an agreed-upon set of conventions invented by the human
mind. It didn't exist before people, and it has
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