Fwd: A Beka Book and the Set Theory of Satan

Surprisingly there's already a textbook teaching Bruno's ideas. :-) Brent Forwarded Message https://www.abeka.com/AbekaDifference.aspx Mathematics The study of logic and order to apply to science and daily life Unlike the "modern math" theorists, who believe that mat

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

LizR wrote: Yes, I read that some time ago (or however he would put that ... in a distant capsule / pigeon hole?) I can't remember now if he uses the Wheeler-DeWitt equation as a basis for his views - could you remind me? Yes, the WDW equation features prominently in Barbour's thinking. Th

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

On 1 May 2015 at 12:34, Bruce Kellett wrote: > LizR wrote: > >> On 30 April 2015 at 16:32, Bruce Kellett > > wrote: >> >> So where are the space and time dimensions of Platonia? Not to >> mention the necessity of a Minkoskian metric. (Space and time are >

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

On 30 April 2015 at 18:47, Kim Jones wrote: > On 30 Apr 2015, at 2:29 pm, LizR wrote: > > I was told at school that 'a sentence which does not contain a verb is not >> a sentence' which I gather was meant to imply 'you have not managed to say >> anything if you don't use a verb' which is bollock

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

LizR wrote: On 30 April 2015 at 16:32, Bruce Kellett > wrote: So where are the space and time dimensions of Platonia? Not to mention the necessity of a Minkoskian metric. (Space and time are interchangeable only within the limits of the light cone.)

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

On 30 April 2015 at 16:32, Bruce Kellett wrote: > LizR wrote: > >> On 30 April 2015 at 15:20, Bruce Kellett > > wrote: >> >> Kim Jones wrote: >> >> On 30 Apr 2015, at 12:34 pm, Bruce Kellett >> >

Re: God

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 10:56 AM, John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 Jason Resch wrote: > > >> Maybe all true statements exist is some sort of abstract Platonic >>> world, but even if they do I'm not sure that would be very important >>> because all false statements would exist in that ve

Re: SciAm predicts strong future for renewable energy

From: John Mikes To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 2:27 PM Subject: Re: SciAm predicts strong future for renewable energy How many people die for the conventional energy production? I would not believe the statistical figments. Are e.g. all those p

Re: SciAm predicts strong future for renewable energy

How many people die for the conventional energy production? I would not believe the statistical figments. Are e.g. all those people included who died from diseases upon pollution from burning? Can anybody predict what kind of (Fukushima-type) disasters may occur in the foreseeable future and their

Re: God

On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: >> If additional steps, steps that you has conspicuously not specified, are > required to turn mathematical truth into physical truth > > This is vague, and literally impossible. We don't turn mathematical > truth into physical truth. Then please exp

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

On Friday, May 1, 2015, Bruce Kellett wrote: > Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > >> On 30 April 2015 at 17:19, Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Julian Barbour, in his book 'The End of Time' tried to abolish time >>> altogether because of the difficulties of defining time in general >>> relativity.

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

On 30 Apr 2015, at 16:26, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Apr 2015, at 04:34, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Apr 2015, at 02:12, Bruce Kellett wrote: Given Platonia, they always exist timelessly, they never have to be calculated because the are timelessly t

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

On 30 April 2015 at 17:01, Bruno Marchal wrote: Here we are in a place where I think you type of argument can still be used > to criticize comp itself. Comp explains matter, but someone can reason > along your line and pretend that it still fail to explain entirely > consciousness. It just push t

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

On 30 Apr 2015, at 16:20, Bruce Kellett wrote: Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 30 April 2015 at 17:19, Bruce Kellett wrote: Julian Barbour, in his book 'The End of Time' tried to abolish time altogether because of the difficulties of defining time in general relativity. He replaced time as a

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

On 30 Apr 2015, at 13:42, David Nyman wrote: On 30 April 2015 at 09:10, Bruno Marchal wrote: Platonia runs all possible CPU, and it is a certainty that all those computer and execution of computers exists in Platonia (which is a very little platonia compared to the one used in physics and

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

On 30-04-2015 09:19, Bruce Kellett wrote: Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 30 April 2015 at 13:20, Bruce Kellett wrote: The way I understand it, nothing happens in Platonia. Which is to say nothing ever happens. The real question is why we think stuff is 'happening'. Well, OK - the hallucinati

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Apr 2015, at 04:34, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Apr 2015, at 02:12, Bruce Kellett wrote: Given Platonia, they always exist timelessly, they never have to be calculated because the are timelessly true. But the view from the inside points of view

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 30 April 2015 at 17:19, Bruce Kellett wrote: Julian Barbour, in his book 'The End of Time' tried to abolish time altogether because of the difficulties of defining time in general relativity. He replaced time as a parameter with the notion of 'time capsules' prese

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

On 30 April 2015 at 09:10, Bruno Marchal wrote: Platonia runs all possible CPU, and it is a certainty that all those > computer and execution of computers exists in Platonia (which is a very > little platonia compared to the one used in physics and analysis). > > On the contrary, some people migh

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

On 30 Apr 2015, at 06:16, Kim Jones wrote: On 30 Apr 2015, at 1:20 pm, Bruce Kellett wrote: Kim Jones wrote: On 30 Apr 2015, at 12:34 pm, Bruce Kellett > wrote: If everything is to 'happen' in Platonia, you need to specify a temporal variable. This is not trivial, and I have not se

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

On 30 Apr 2015, at 06:05, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Apr 2015, at 02:12, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: Any two numbers might have an indefinitely large number of programs mapping from one to the other, but all such programs reduce to simple additions of t

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

On 30 Apr 2015, at 04:34, Bruce Kellett wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Apr 2015, at 02:12, Bruce Kellett wrote: Given Platonia, they always exist timelessly, they never have to be calculated because the are timelessly true. But the view from the inside points of view is different. You

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

On 30 April 2015 at 17:19, Bruce Kellett wrote: > Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> On 30 April 2015 at 13:20, Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> The way I understand it, nothing happens in Platonia. Which is to say nothing ever happens. The real question is why we think stuff is 'happening

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

On 30 Apr 2015, at 00:28, LizR wrote: On 30 April 2015 at 05:52, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Apr 2015, at 00:32, Jason Resch wrote: Speaking of the UD. At one point you mentioned that halting programs have no weight in the UD, Yes, this is because only the non stopping programs can diverge

Re: God

On 30 Apr 2015, at 03:00, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote: >> What a shame companies like INTEL IBM and Apple have wasted trillions of dollars in building hardware when if they had just asked any undergraduate student they could have told them how to make a c

Re: God

On 29 Apr 2015, at 21:45, meekerdb wrote: On 4/29/2015 7:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Apr 2015, at 18:06, meekerdb wrote: On 4/28/2015 12:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Apr 2015, at 19:41, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Quentin Anciaux > wrote: >> Because

Re: The dovetailer disassembled

Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 30 April 2015 at 13:20, Bruce Kellett wrote: The way I understand it, nothing happens in Platonia. Which is to say nothing ever happens. The real question is why we think stuff is 'happening'. Well, OK - the hallucination that stuff is happening is what is happeni