Re: Vacuum energy

[Alan Grayson]

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 4:45:02 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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> On 4/26/2020 6:37 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:
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> On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 6:39:15 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: 
>>
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>> On 4/26/2020 3:22 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:
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>> On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:46:59 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/26/2020 9:24 AM, Alan Grayson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 9:48:45 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: 

 On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 12:49 PM Alan Grayson  
 wrote:

 *> How does QM tell us that conservation of energy can be violated for 
> brief durations? If you apply the time-energy form of the UP for your 
> proof, please state the context of your proof, that is, exactly what do E 
> and t stand for.*


 The shorter the time (t) a system is under observation the larger the 
 amount of energy (E) could pop into existence from nothing without direct 
 detection, enough energy to create virtual particles. And you can 
 calculate 
 how large the indirect effects these virtual particles would have on the 
 system.

>>>
>>> As I understand the UP, it's a statistical statement about an ensemble 
>>> of observations, say for position and momentum of identical particles. It 
>>> says nothing about the result of events, say for the position and momentum 
>>> of a single particle or event. Doing some arithmetic to get the time-energy 
>>> form of the UP does not change this reality. As a result, your description 
>>> of what happens to a single particle, virtual or not, is not intelligible. 
>>> Please try again. AG 
>>>
>>>
>>> The UP doesn't apply to virtual particles because it refers to the 
>>> result of conjugate measurement (projection) operators.  You can't measure 
>>> virtual particles.
>>>
>>> Brent
>>>
>>
>> In its usual form, does the UP allow us to measure position and momentum 
>> *simultaneously*, or must we measure each variable independently (for an 
>> ensemble of identical particles, of course)? What is proper interpretation 
>> of the time/energy form of the principle in statistical terms? TIA, AG 
>>
>>
>> You can measure them simultaneously; but when you repeat the pair of 
>> measurements on many identically prepared particles you find that there is 
>> a scatter in the position  and a scatter in the momentum such that the HUP 
>> is satisfied.
>>
>> Brent
>>
>
> Can you give an example of the ensembles used in applying the time-energy 
> form of the UP? TIA, AG
>
>
> https://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0511245.pdf
>

This article seems to establish a lower bound on time, but nothing related 
to ensembles. I have no idea about the meaning of the terms in the 
time-energy form of the UP. AG

>
>
> There's also an interesting discussion of how to measure time in QM.  
> Since time is not an operator you have to construct a clock which defines 
> the physical meaning of time.  
> http://www.god-does-not-play-dice.net/clock_peres.pdf
>
> Brent
>

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Re: The Observer & The Existence of Reality

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

If we can find the Great Mind's purpose, yeah, Computer Scientists and 
Mathematicians might comprehend it. Astronomers and physicists would have to 
(in my imagination) locate the instruction set and decipher it. Me? I am 
waiting for the virus closures to life. 


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Subject: Re: The Observer & The Existence of Reality


> On 23 Apr 2020, at 06:53, Samiya Illias  wrote:
> 
> If the All-Mighty God accepts me in The Kingdom of The Hereafter, I trust He 
> will explain to us our roles, responsibilities, perks and privileges. 

OK.


> He didn’t create this world without purpose,


So let us search the purpose, and try theories. The notion of purpose is not an 
easy notion.



> I’m sure there is a greater purpose to our eternal life! 


So let us do the research work, as this is not obvious, although a pleasant 
idea (but that is reason to be careful on this, especially when we are still on 
the terrestrial plane, where modesty is not so much an option).

When you assume a greater purpose you need to take into account that some 
people will borrow an ersatz greater purpose for terrestrial use, and that this 
can eventually hide for long the genuine higher purpose of the higher self. The 
machine already understand that some (religious) truth go only without saying.

Those who trust the great Goddess leaves the advertising to Her.The genuine 
mystic stays mute, or propose some theory and reason conditionally.

Bruno




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>> On 23-Apr-2020, at 6:05 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
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>> So, if you have pleased, the All-Mighty, and are ushered in to Janah, and 
>> you are given permission, what would you do for your first year there?
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Re: A Potential COVID-19 Vaccine

[Alan Grayson]

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 2:01:48 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote:
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 1:31:36 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote:
>>
>> A lab in Briton has used genetic engineering to jump ahead of everybody 
>> else and has developed a COVID-19 vaccine in record time. It seems safe in 
>> humans and has been shown to work with rhesus macaque monkeys. Six of the 
>> animals were given one shot of the vaccine and then exposed to very high 
>> levels of COVID-19. Animals that didn't get the vaccine consistently got 
>> sick, but after 28 days all 6 vaccinated monkeys remained healthy. Last 
>> week a Phase 1 clinical trial involving 1,100 humans started and next month 
>> a combined Phase 2 and Phase 3 trial involving 6,000 people will start, 
>> it will be the first time any COVID-19 vaccine is tested for effectiveness 
>> and not just safety. If it works in humans as well as it does in monkeys (a 
>> big IF) we could manufacture several million doses of the vaccine by 
>> September, much earlier than previously thought.
>>
>> Keep your fingers crossed, I don't believe that superstition helps but 
>> they say it works even if you don't believe it.
>>
>> In Race for a Coronavirus Vaccine, an Oxford Group Leaps Ahead 
>> 
>>
>> John K Clark.
>>
>
> Supposing the most optimistic outcome becomes a reality, will it come soon 
> enough to avoid an economic depression? West Texas Intermediate, a quoted 
> grade of crude oil, is now trading around $13 per barrel, way too low for 
> US shale, fracking, and crude producers to avoid bankruptcy. And given the 
> dire effects on small businesses, apartment renters and those holding 
> mortgages, the combined effects of bad debt implies a full blown banking 
> crisis is an ominous near term threat. AG 
>

WTI crude now around $12/barrel, compared to its average price during 2019 
of about $54/barrel, way too low for any producer, by any method, can make 
a profit, SA being the only exception. I see a major banking crisis by 
summer, or possibly earlier. AG 

 

 

 

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Re: Vacuum energy

['Brent Meeker' via Everything List]

On 4/26/2020 6:37 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:



On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 6:39:15 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:



On 4/26/2020 3:22 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:



On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:46:59 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:



On 4/26/2020 9:24 AM, Alan Grayson wrote:



On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 9:48:45 AM UTC-6, John Clark
wrote:

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 12:49 PM Alan Grayson
 wrote:

/> How does QM tell us that conservation of energy
can be violated for brief durations? If you apply
the time-energy form of the UP for your proof,
please state the context of your proof, that is,
exactly what do E and t stand for./


The shorter the time (t) a system is under observation
the larger the amount of energy (E) could pop into
existence from nothing without direct detection, enough
energy to create virtual particles. And you can
calculate how large the indirect effects these virtual
particles would have on the system.


As I understand the UP, it's a statistical statement about
an ensemble of observations, say for position and momentum
of identical particles. It says nothing about the result of
events, say for the position and momentum of a single
particle or event. Doing some arithmetic to get the
time-energy form of the UP does not change this reality. As
a result, your description of what happens to a single
particle, virtual or not, is not intelligible. Please try
again. AG


The UP doesn't apply to virtual particles because it refers
to the result of conjugate measurement (projection)
operators.  You can't measure virtual particles.

Brent


In its usual form, does the UP allow us to measure position and
momentum *simultaneously*, or must we measure each variable
independently (for an ensemble of identical particles, of
course)? What is proper interpretation of the time/energy form of
the principle in statistical terms? TIA, AG


You can measure them simultaneously; but when you repeat the pair
of measurements on many identically prepared particles you find
that there is a scatter in the position  and a scatter in the
momentum such that the HUP is satisfied.

Brent


Can you give an example of the ensembles used in applying the 
time-energy form of the UP? TIA, AG


https://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0511245.pdf

There's also an interesting discussion of how to measure time in QM.  
Since time is not an operator you have to construct a clock which 
defines the physical meaning of time. 
http://www.god-does-not-play-dice.net/clock_peres.pdf


Brent

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Re: MWI and time

[Eva]

Thank you! I have to admit that I like this interpretation. Some people say 
that it even explain cosmological fine-tunning

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4 quantum programs in 4 days

[Philip Thrift]

Fourth anniversary of the IBM Quantum Experience

(on May 4, 4 quantum programming exercises to solve in 4 days)

https://quantum-computing.ibm.com/challenges

@philipthrift 

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Re: A Potential COVID-19 Vaccine

[Alan Grayson]

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 1:31:36 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote:
>
> A lab in Briton has used genetic engineering to jump ahead of everybody 
> else and has developed a COVID-19 vaccine in record time. It seems safe in 
> humans and has been shown to work with rhesus macaque monkeys. Six of the 
> animals were given one shot of the vaccine and then exposed to very high 
> levels of COVID-19. Animals that didn't get the vaccine consistently got 
> sick, but after 28 days all 6 vaccinated monkeys remained healthy. Last 
> week a Phase 1 clinical trial involving 1,100 humans started and next month 
> a combined Phase 2 and Phase 3 trial involving 6,000 people will start, 
> it will be the first time any COVID-19 vaccine is tested for effectiveness 
> and not just safety. If it works in humans as well as it does in monkeys (a 
> big IF) we could manufacture several million doses of the vaccine by 
> September, much earlier than previously thought.
>
> Keep your fingers crossed, I don't believe that superstition helps but 
> they say it works even if you don't believe it.
>
> In Race for a Coronavirus Vaccine, an Oxford Group Leaps Ahead 
> 
>
> John K Clark.
>

Supposing the most optimistic outcome becomes a reality, will it come soon 
enough to avoid an economic depression? West Texas Intermediate, a quoted 
grade of crude oil, is now trading around $13 per barrel, way too low for 
US shale, fracking, and crude producers to avoid bankruptcy. And given the 
dire effects on small businesses, apartment renters and those holding 
mortgages, the combined effects of bad debt implies a full blown banking 
crisis is an ominous near term threat. AG 

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A Potential COVID-19 Vaccine

[John Clark]

A lab in Briton has used genetic engineering to jump ahead of everybody
else and has developed a COVID-19 vaccine in record time. It seems safe in
humans and has been shown to work with rhesus macaque monkeys. Six of the
animals were given one shot of the vaccine and then exposed to very high
levels of COVID-19. Animals that didn't get the vaccine consistently got
sick, but after 28 days all 6 vaccinated monkeys remained healthy. Last
week a Phase 1 clinical trial involving 1,100 humans started and next month
a combined Phase 2 and Phase 3 trial involving 6,000 people will start, it
will be the first time any COVID-19 vaccine is tested for effectiveness and
not just safety. If it works in humans as well as it does in monkeys (a big
IF) we could manufacture several million doses of the vaccine by September,
much earlier than previously thought.

Keep your fingers crossed, I don't believe that superstition helps but they
say it works even if you don't believe it.

In Race for a Coronavirus Vaccine, an Oxford Group Leaps Ahead


John K Clark.

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Re: Vacuum energy

[Alan Grayson]

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 5:49:15 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote:
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 3:51:03 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:18 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
>> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> *> I think you are to readily reifying the mathematics.  Virtual 
>>> particles are just Feynman's invention to keep track of consistent 
>>> expansions of the Green's function.  There are other mathematical 
>>> techniques for calculating the same number. *
>>
>>
>> But they all involve violating the law of conservation of energy for 
>> short amounts of time, and the shorter the time the larger the violation. 
>>
>> John K Clark
>>
>
> I *might* be convinced, IF you understood the standard UP, involving 
> position and momentum. But you don't. Do you know the definition of 
> "standard deviation", aka "uncertainty"?  Look it up; a well defined 
> concept in statistics; always involving ensembles! AG 
>

I trust you can see the problem with your interpretation of virtual 
particles. In effect you're putting the cart before the horse! Once you see 
that the usual form of the UP is a *statistical* statement involving *standard 
deviations*, the time-energy form must have the same property. And no one 
here, apparently, can state what the ensembles are for that form of the UP! 
If you don't know what ensembles you're talking about, it is egregiously 
premature, and prone to error, to make an interpretation of the inequality. 
AG

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memristors

['Brent Meeker' via Everything List]

Soon you'll be able to say "Yes" to these doctors:

https://phys.org/news/2020-04-unveil-electronics-mimic-human-brain.html

Brent

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Re: The Observer & The Existence of Reality

[Bruno Marchal]

> On 27 Apr 2020, at 14:36, Lawrence Crowell  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 4:14:45 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> 
> > On 23 Apr 2020, at 06:53, Samiya Illias > 
> > wrote: 
> > 
> > If the All-Mighty God accepts me in The Kingdom of The Hereafter, I trust 
> > He will explain to us our roles, responsibilities, perks and privileges. 
> 
> OK. 
> 
> No it is not OK. Religion is based on the idea that truth is handed down by a 
> divine authority.


It comes from the insight of the greeks that Truth is an authority we better 
should not hide, even if we cannot define it.

It is related to the fact that you cannot put your hand in the fire, and 
relativise what is happening. 





> Religion claims to have the ultimate truth, or THE TRUTH,


Only when a tyran steal the domain to those who can remain serious and modest 
on the complex foundational issues.

Dont confuse god, the object of theological study, and god, the object of naïve 
popular fairy tales, especially when it is mixed with state and politics. (The 
genuine blasphemy). 

Yes, I know that we have to backtrack about 1500 years to find serious studies, 
but if you study the history of religion, you can understand that serious 
theologian have continue to exist, although usually hiding their theories, or 
presenting them in a way so that they are not immediately send at stake.




> and we are supposed to wait patiently for a great day of revelation.


Religion has something to do with personal experience, which are usually 
forbidden once the religion is stolen by politics, let us say. 





> For most of us this will come after death, where if we have done all the 
> right things, according to various scriptures,

Of course in science there is no scripture, except papers and treatises.



> we will come to know the ultimate Truth and live in eternal bliss.

Of course those terms must be defined before we conclude anything, and such a 
conclusion would only be conditional on some theory. For example, if we assume 
mechanism, we cannot assume consistently materialism. (That is not entirely 
obvious, but I got this in the 1970s, at a time where most people told me that 
this was not original, and indeed that was understood by the greeks already).




> For those who are errant they get to spend eternity in a pit of endless fire 
> where they suffer until the end of time --- but somehow this God still loves 
> us. 


That god is omniscient and omnipotent, which is logically impossible. Since 
St-Thomas, even the (educated) christians does not take any of this literally. 
I am aware that American Evangelist does, or at least fall they do, but 
apparently it is used only for making the people offering planes and money to 
the boss. The con-artistry is just obvious.

You can use such argument to defeat the literalist. Scared-text literalism is 
only a tool for propagating atheism.



> 
> I don't know about anyone else, but I call this a big hustle. These religions 
> were schemes concocted by various religious and political con-men as a way 
> people could be controlled and society choreographed according to the wishes 
> of an ecclesiastical class.


Absolutely. That is why I insist that theology comes back at the academy, where 
doubts, critics, alternate theories, and research are encouraged.



> Both Christianity and Islam suffer from this problem, they are huge 
> social-psychological cons played against people, and where these schemes have 
> a lot of staying power. They are sorts of neural-brain memes that lodges 
> themselves in minds and are difficult to remove. 


Like all propaganda. It is to theology what astrology is to astronomy. 



> 
> I read a translation of the Koran after 9/11. I would say my general comment 
> is that if this were first published now, with crisp new copies available at 
> bookstores and Amazon, the reviewers would be calling it the screed of a 
> complete lunatic.


What is lunatic is to read such text like if there were scientific attempt to 
understand things.  Before Al Ghazali, many muslims were quite open to this, 
and that is why they decide to come back to the greeks and translated their 
text, leading to science, but they will not benefit from it, as the dark mixing 
with power will come back and prevail. 





> The Mecca Koran, which is thought to have been written when Muhammed was in 
> Mecca with his few followers, is relatively inoffensive and reads a bit like 
> Psalms or Proverbs. The second Medina Koran was allegedly written after they 
> got their butts kicked out of Mecca, and this part is pure insanity. 

OK.


> 
> We really should be done with these silly things.

It is easy. Let us stop claim that science has solved the ontological problem, 
like materialist do (believer in primary mater).




> These are based on mythic narratives concerning ideas from the ancient world.

That is not entirely true. Hypatia taught mathematics and theology in 
Alexandria, still around 3

Re: The Observer & The Existence of Reality

[Lawrence Crowell]

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 4:14:45 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>
> > On 23 Apr 2020, at 06:53, Samiya Illias  > wrote: 
> > 
> > If the All-Mighty God accepts me in The Kingdom of The Hereafter, I 
> trust He will explain to us our roles, responsibilities, perks and 
> privileges. 
>
> OK. 
>

No it is not OK. Religion is based on the idea that truth is handed down by 
a divine authority. Religion claims to have the ultimate truth, or THE 
TRUTH, and we are supposed to wait patiently for a great day of revelation. 
For most of us this will come after death, where if we have done all the 
right things, according to various scriptures, we will come to know the 
ultimate Truth and live in eternal bliss. For those who are errant they get 
to spend eternity in a pit of endless fire where they suffer until the end 
of time --- but somehow this God still loves us. 

I don't know about anyone else, but I call this a big hustle. These 
religions were schemes concocted by various religious and political con-men 
as a way people could be controlled and society choreographed according to 
the wishes of an ecclesiastical class. Both Christianity and Islam suffer 
from this problem, they are huge social-psychological cons played against 
people, and where these schemes have a lot of staying power. They are sorts 
of neural-brain memes that lodges themselves in minds and are difficult to 
remove. 

I read a translation of the Koran after 9/11. I would say my general 
comment is that if this were first published now, with crisp new copies 
available at bookstores and Amazon, the reviewers would be calling it the 
screed of a complete lunatic. The Mecca Koran, which is thought to have 
been written when Muhammed was in Mecca with his few followers, is 
relatively inoffensive and reads a bit like Psalms or Proverbs. The second 
Medina Koran was allegedly written after they got their butts kicked out of 
Mecca, and this part is pure insanity. 

We really should be done with these silly things. These are based on mythic 
narratives concerning ideas from the ancient world. They may have made 
sense then, but really some education and thought should indicate how 
utterly ineffective monotheist religion is as telling us anything really 
meaningful or useful. It is a load of nonsense. We do not sit with slack 
jaw waiting for some great Santa Claus or fairy godmother to come and 
reveal ALL to us. Instead we think, observe, measure, rethink and … , 
repeat, in order to know what is truthful within the limits and tentative 
certitude of science.

LC


> > He didn’t create this world without purpose, 
>
>
> So let us search the purpose, and try theories. The notion of purpose is 
> not an easy notion. 
>
>
>
> > I’m sure there is a greater purpose to our eternal life! 
>
>
> So let us do the research work, as this is not obvious, although a 
> pleasant idea (but that is reason to be careful on this, especially when we 
> are still on the terrestrial plane, where modesty is not so much an 
> option). 
>
> When you assume a greater purpose you need to take into account that some 
> people will borrow an ersatz greater purpose for terrestrial use, and that 
> this can eventually hide for long the genuine higher purpose of the higher 
> self. The machine already understand that some (religious) truth go only 
> without saying. 
>
> Those who trust the great Goddess leaves the advertising to Her.The 
> genuine mystic stays mute, or propose some theory and reason conditionally. 
>
> Bruno 
>
>
>
>
> > 
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>
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On 23-Apr-2020, at 6:05 AM, spudb...@aol.com  wrote: 
> >> 
> >> So, if you have pleased, the All-Mighty, and are ushered in to Janah, 
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Re: Vacuum energy

[Alan Grayson]

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 3:51:03 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote:
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> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:18 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
> everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
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> *> I think you are to readily reifying the mathematics.  Virtual particles 
>> are just Feynman's invention to keep track of consistent expansions of the 
>> Green's function.  There are other mathematical techniques for calculating 
>> the same number. *
>
>
> But they all involve violating the law of conservation of energy for short 
> amounts of time, and the shorter the time the larger the violation. 
>
> John K Clark
>

I *might* be convinced, IF you understood the standard UP, involving 
position and momentum. But you don't. Do you know the definition of 
"standard deviation", aka "uncertainty"?  Look it up; a well defined 
concept in statistics; always involving ensembles! AG 

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Re: Vacuum energy

[John Clark]

On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:18 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
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*> I think you are to readily reifying the mathematics.  Virtual particles
> are just Feynman's invention to keep track of consistent expansions of the
> Green's function.  There are other mathematical techniques for calculating
> the same number. *


But they all involve violating the law of conservation of energy for short
amounts of time, and the shorter the time the larger the violation.

John K Clark

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Re: The Observer & The Existence of Reality

[Bruno Marchal]

> On 24 Apr 2020, at 06:29, spudboy100 via Everything List 
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> So, I have pondered that after countless ages and cycles, Turok/Steinhardt 
> Buddha, Brahma, out of thermodynamic instabilities, a Boltzmann Brain finally 
> emerges. Creates his or her own history and the universe flows forth. Is this 
> true? [SHRUG!] I don't know but it seems conjecturally, tasty Bruno, at least 
> to me. 

After Göde’s 1931, + Turing 1936 (all foreseen by Emil Post 1920s), we know 
that all computations, and thus all Boltzman brain (whatever means are used to 
define them) are run in arithmetic.

This disappoints some people when they grasp this fact.Yet it does not 
trivialise physics or theology, as it leads to a derivation of them from 
arithmetic, and this makes mechanism testable. 

Is this true? How could we ever knows that? Ins science we never say that a 
theory is true, we count the evidences and measure some degree of plausibility 
(that degree is not a number, note, but eventually a personal feeling).
What we can say is that there are still no evidence for a primitively material 
universe, and rather a lot of evidences against it. The problem with the humans 
is that in the fundamental domain, they don’t care about evidence, and they 
care only on their wishes. 

Many people confused physics and metaphysics, observation and facts, proof and 
truth, etc. In theology, we still tolerate the lies, we still hide pour 
ignorance, and put the question under the rug (and mock the solutions by the 
same occasion).

The evidences for the physical laws are not evidences for a physical Universe.

What many people miss is just the fact that elementary arithmetic run all 
simulable reality, and that the physical reality emerges in a non computable 
way from all computations, making both consciousness and the physical reality 
not computable, and only partially predictable. Observations confirms this 
quantitatively and qualitatively (modal logic of obserrvable extrapolate from 
observation are similar to what is made oblatory from universal machine 
reasoning and introspection).

It is the idea of a (primary) physical universe which is metaphysically 
conjectural. With mechanism, physics is not the fundamental science, despite 
its enormous importance, notably for the human consciousness. But “important” 
does not mean primitively real.

Bruno 





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> Sent: Thu, Apr 23, 2020 6:49 am
> Subject: Re: The Observer & The Existence of Reality
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> Samiya,
> 
> That is what you get close to when believing in the collapse of the wave in 
> Quantum Mechanics. That’s why some say, like Belinfante (working on hidden 
> variable QM),  QM implies a God or a Multiverse. The notion of God 
> unfortunately cannot be used in this context, unless God itself is explained, 
> but by definition it can’t. 
> 
> With mechanism things are simpler, there is the arithmetical reality, and the 
> multiverse appearance is explained by the many computational histories, 
> consciousness is explained by a semantic sort of fixed point, and the 
> appearance of a unique universal history is explained by human hubris. 
> As the mechanist explanation is testable, let us continue the test, but I 
> would say that materialism (the belief in ontological matter) is already 
> refuted, which explains why the most serious materialist try to get rid of 
> consciousness.
> 
> Bruno
> 
> 
> 
>> On 22 Apr 2020, at 14:37, Samiya Illias > > wrote:
>> 
> 
> The Observer & The Existence of Reality 
> A Religious Perspective 
> https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2020/04/the-observer-existence-of-reality.html
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Re: My "Essay" for the US$40,000 FQXi contest

[Philip Thrift]

Thanks!

There are just over 200 essays that were posted before the deadline:

  https://fqxi.org/community/forum/category/31427?sort=author

Which ones of these have any value at all? :o

@philipthrift

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 2:54:41 AM UTC-5, spudb...@aol.com wrote:
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> Well, I hope you win, Thrift, because why not you, and I am sure the money 
> would be nice. Beyond this, when I was thinking of substrates, I was 
> thinking of Randall Koene's (neurobiologist guy) and his studies on the 
> brain. Or, more crazy, that you have hypothesized some magical way to 
> program the false vacuum of space, somehow (conjectural-wise), like a paper 
> from ARXIV? Anyway, good luck with your paper.  
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Philip Thrift >
> To: Everything List >
> Sent: Sun, Apr 26, 2020 7:55 am
> Subject: My "Essay" for the US$40,000 FQXi contest
>
>
> "Corrected" updated source:
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> https://codicalist.wordpress.com/2020/04/24/substrate-targeted-programming-stp/
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> Substrate-targeted programming by Philip Thrift 
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Re: The Observer & The Existence of Reality

[Bruno Marchal]

> On 23 Apr 2020, at 06:53, Samiya Illias  wrote:
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> If the All-Mighty God accepts me in The Kingdom of The Hereafter, I trust He 
> will explain to us our roles, responsibilities, perks and privileges. 

OK.


> He didn’t create this world without purpose,


So let us search the purpose, and try theories. The notion of purpose is not an 
easy notion.



> I’m sure there is a greater purpose to our eternal life! 


So let us do the research work, as this is not obvious, although a pleasant 
idea (but that is reason to be careful on this, especially when we are still on 
the terrestrial plane, where modesty is not so much an option).

When you assume a greater purpose you need to take into account that some 
people will borrow an ersatz greater purpose for terrestrial use, and that this 
can eventually hide for long the genuine higher purpose of the higher self. The 
machine already understand that some (religious) truth go only without saying.

Those who trust the great Goddess leaves the advertising to Her.The genuine 
mystic stays mute, or propose some theory and reason conditionally.

Bruno




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>> So, if you have pleased, the All-Mighty, and are ushered in to Janah, and 
>> you are given permission, what would you do for your first year there?
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Re: My "Essay" for the US$40,000 FQXi contest

[spudboy100 via Everything List]

Well, I hope you win, Thrift, because why not you, and I am sure the money 
would be nice. Beyond this, when I was thinking of substrates, I was thinking 
of Randall Koene's (neurobiologist guy) and his studies on the brain. Or, more 
crazy, that you have hypothesized some magical way to program the false vacuum 
of space, somehow (conjectural-wise), like a paper from ARXIV? Anyway, good 
luck with your paper.  


-Original Message-
From: Philip Thrift 
To: Everything List 
Sent: Sun, Apr 26, 2020 7:55 am
Subject: My "Essay" for the US$40,000 FQXi contest


"Corrected" updated 
source:https://codicalist.wordpress.com/2020/04/24/substrate-targeted-programming-stp/

Substrate-targeted programming by Philip Thrift

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