RE: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie
My fellow Africans some brilliant cold (sore) case detective work! A relatively simpler parasitical life form has been studied in its association with humans to provide an independent line of genetic evidence that supports the out of Africa hypothesis. HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie Ex Africa semper frigida ulcus Many lotharios will agree that there's nothing attractive about a cold sore - but the virus behind this common affliction is proving very useful in tracing the migration patterns of early humans. In fact, boffins have been able to analyse the DNA of the unsightly, lip-borne herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) to shore up the out of Africa theory of early human development. Scientists at the University of Wisconsin-Madison were able to identify 31 different strains of HSV-1 in North America, Europe, Africa and Asia. The stunning result was that separate strains of the virus could be found on each continent. This fact allowed the boffins to trace the pattern of human migration by analysing the relatively simple genome of HSV-1, which is significantly less complex than the human gene. It's also pretty common as the virus is spread easily through saliva or contact with an infected piece of skin, and is a lifelong affliction. Curtis Brandt, a professor of medical microbiology and ophthalmology, said: The viral strains sort exactly as you would predict based on sequencing of human genomes. We found that all of the African isolates cluster together, all the virus from the Far East, Korea, Japan, China clustered together, all the viruses in Europe and America, with one exception, clustered together. What we found follows exactly what the anthropologists have told us, and the molecular geneticists who have analyzed the human genome have told us, about where humans originated and how they spread across the planet. Researchers looked at the 31 different genomes and built a family tree for the HSV-1 virus. What they found was was clear support for the out-of-Africa hypothesis. Our results clearly support the anthropological data, and other genetic data, that explain how humans came from Africa into the Middle East and started to spread from there, Brandt added. The study even seemed to back up the theory that human population of the planet was begun by a small group of pioneers who managed to cross the Sahara and escape the continent. There is a population bottleneck between Africa and the rest of the world. Very few people were involved in the initial migration from Africa, Brandt continued. When you look at the phylogenetic tree from the virus, it's exactly the same as what the anthropologists have told us. The results also seem to back up the theory of a land bridge over the Bering Strait, due to the fact that a Asian strain was found in Texas. Which leads us on to an old joke. What's the difference between herpes and true love? Herpes is forever. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/22/early_human_beings_loved_snogging_as_much_as_us/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie
I didn't realise there was still much doubt about this. I thought studying human DNA had made the out of Africa hypothesis fairly robust. (Obviously more confirming evidence will add another sigma, or whatever...) ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie
Exactly, this adds an independent line of DNA evidence that supports this hypothesis. From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 2:28 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie I didn't realise there was still much doubt about this. I thought studying human DNA had made the out of Africa hypothesis fairly robust. (Obviously more confirming evidence will add another sigma, or whatever...) ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie
On 23 October 2013 11:04, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: Exactly, this adds an independent line of DNA evidence that supports this hypothesis. OK, fair enough. I just thought the headline *HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie* seemed to indicate that the writer thought this was a major discovery.* * I didn't intend to be snarky. It's all very interesting.* * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:28:19AM +1300, LizR wrote: I didn't realise there was still much doubt about this. I thought studying human DNA had made the out of Africa hypothesis fairly robust. (Obviously more confirming evidence will add another sigma, or whatever...) There is some evidence of interbreeding between the H. sapiens that migrated from Africa, and the indigenous Neanderthal and Denisovan species. IIRC, the indigineous species contributed something like 10% of the genetic code to the humans from those areas - N to Europeans, and D to some island populations off Asia. So its not quite Out of Africa exlusively, more like mostly Out of Africa, with a small dash of Multiregionalism. But its fascinating what we've learnt just in the last decade. When my son asked me (for a science assignment) to name a significant scientific technology, I immediately said PCR! Cheers -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie
Yes... and some very interesting stuff too... It's also interesting also how widespread the interbreeding between Neanderthal and Denisovan's appears to have been based on DNA Interestingly there now appears to have been at least two separate hominid species -- including Homo floresiensis i.e. the Hobbits -- that in addition to the Neanderthal in Europe primarily -- have left a genetic trail in the heritage of the peoples now living in Micronesia and amongst aboriginal Australian populations. This is more clear in the case of the Denisovan's and Neanderthal and we can only speculate whether it also occurred between homo sapiens and homo floresiensis, but I somehow suspect it happened. As we become more astute in reading DNA and understanding the larger sequences that exist in them and their lineages I suspect we will be finding other interesting lineages mixed in to our code... and that we are a hybridized species. But then is this not the way of nature :) Comparing genomes, scientists concluded that today's humans outside Africa carry an average of 2.5 percent Neanderthal DNA, and that people from parts of Oceania also carry about 5 percent Denisovan DNA. A study published in November found that Southeast Asians carry about 1 percent Denisovan DNA in addition to their Neanderthal genes. It is unclear whether Denisovans and Neanderthals also interbred. [Other studies seem to indicate that they did] http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/science/gains-in-dna-are-speeding-research -into-human-origins.html?pagewanted=all_r=0 -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Standish Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:33 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:28:19AM +1300, LizR wrote: I didn't realise there was still much doubt about this. I thought studying human DNA had made the out of Africa hypothesis fairly robust. (Obviously more confirming evidence will add another sigma, or whatever...) There is some evidence of interbreeding between the H. sapiens that migrated from Africa, and the indigenous Neanderthal and Denisovan species. IIRC, the indigineous species contributed something like 10% of the genetic code to the humans from those areas - N to Europeans, and D to some island populations off Asia. So its not quite Out of Africa exlusively, more like mostly Out of Africa, with a small dash of Multiregionalism. But its fascinating what we've learnt just in the last decade. When my son asked me (for a science assignment) to name a significant scientific technology, I immediately said PCR! Cheers -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie
Where do pigs come in? :) On 23 October 2013 12:24, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes... and some very interesting stuff too... It's also interesting also how widespread the interbreeding between Neanderthal and Denisovan's appears to have been based on DNA Interestingly there now appears to have been at least two separate hominid species -- including Homo floresiensis i.e. the Hobbits -- that in addition to the Neanderthal in Europe primarily -- have left a genetic trail in the heritage of the peoples now living in Micronesia and amongst aboriginal Australian populations. This is more clear in the case of the Denisovan's and Neanderthal and we can only speculate whether it also occurred between homo sapiens and homo floresiensis, but I somehow suspect it happened. As we become more astute in reading DNA and understanding the larger sequences that exist in them and their lineages I suspect we will be finding other interesting lineages mixed in to our code... and that we are a hybridized species. But then is this not the way of nature :) Comparing genomes, scientists concluded that today's humans outside Africa carry an average of 2.5 percent Neanderthal DNA, and that people from parts of Oceania also carry about 5 percent Denisovan DNA. A study published in November found that Southeast Asians carry about 1 percent Denisovan DNA in addition to their Neanderthal genes. It is unclear whether Denisovans and Neanderthals also interbred. [Other studies seem to indicate that they did] http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/science/gains-in-dna-are-speeding-research -into-human-origins.html?pagewanted=all_r=0 -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Standish Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:33 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:28:19AM +1300, LizR wrote: I didn't realise there was still much doubt about this. I thought studying human DNA had made the out of Africa hypothesis fairly robust. (Obviously more confirming evidence will add another sigma, or whatever...) There is some evidence of interbreeding between the H. sapiens that migrated from Africa, and the indigenous Neanderthal and Denisovan species. IIRC, the indigineous species contributed something like 10% of the genetic code to the humans from those areas - N to Europeans, and D to some island populations off Asia. So its not quite Out of Africa exlusively, more like mostly Out of Africa, with a small dash of Multiregionalism. But its fascinating what we've learnt just in the last decade. When my son asked me (for a science assignment) to name a significant scientific technology, I immediately said PCR! Cheers -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie
Are you referring to the hypothesis that human's are the result of a radical back hybridization from an ape-pig hybrid. Not a very self-ennobling creation story LOL. From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:36 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie Where do pigs come in? :) On 23 October 2013 12:24, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes... and some very interesting stuff too... It's also interesting also how widespread the interbreeding between Neanderthal and Denisovan's appears to have been based on DNA Interestingly there now appears to have been at least two separate hominid species -- including Homo floresiensis i.e. the Hobbits -- that in addition to the Neanderthal in Europe primarily -- have left a genetic trail in the heritage of the peoples now living in Micronesia and amongst aboriginal Australian populations. This is more clear in the case of the Denisovan's and Neanderthal and we can only speculate whether it also occurred between homo sapiens and homo floresiensis, but I somehow suspect it happened. As we become more astute in reading DNA and understanding the larger sequences that exist in them and their lineages I suspect we will be finding other interesting lineages mixed in to our code... and that we are a hybridized species. But then is this not the way of nature :) Comparing genomes, scientists concluded that today's humans outside Africa carry an average of 2.5 percent Neanderthal DNA, and that people from parts of Oceania also carry about 5 percent Denisovan DNA. A study published in November found that Southeast Asians carry about 1 percent Denisovan DNA in addition to their Neanderthal genes. It is unclear whether Denisovans and Neanderthals also interbred. [Other studies seem to indicate that they did] http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/science/gains-in-dna-are-speeding-research http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/science/gains-in-dna-are-speeding-researc h-into-human-origins.html?pagewanted=all_r=0 -into-human-origins.html?pagewanted=all_r=0 -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Standish Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:33 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:28:19AM +1300, LizR wrote: I didn't realise there was still much doubt about this. I thought studying human DNA had made the out of Africa hypothesis fairly robust. (Obviously more confirming evidence will add another sigma, or whatever...) There is some evidence of interbreeding between the H. sapiens that migrated from Africa, and the indigenous Neanderthal and Denisovan species. IIRC, the indigineous species contributed something like 10% of the genetic code to the humans from those areas - N to Europeans, and D to some island populations off Asia. So its not quite Out of Africa exlusively, more like mostly Out of Africa, with a small dash of Multiregionalism. But its fascinating what we've learnt just in the last decade. When my son asked me (for a science assignment) to name a significant scientific technology, I immediately said PCR! Cheers -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email
Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie
That's the one. I don't know if it's true, or if someone's been telling porkies. On 23 October 2013 13:43, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: Are you referring to the hypothesis that human’s are the result of a radical back hybridization from an ape-pig hybrid. Not a very self-ennobling creation story LOL. ** ** *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *LizR *Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:36 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie ** ** Where do pigs come in? :) ** ** On 23 October 2013 12:24, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes... and some very interesting stuff too... It's also interesting also how widespread the interbreeding between Neanderthal and Denisovan's appears to have been based on DNA Interestingly there now appears to have been at least two separate hominid species -- including Homo floresiensis i.e. the Hobbits -- that in addition to the Neanderthal in Europe primarily -- have left a genetic trail in the heritage of the peoples now living in Micronesia and amongst aboriginal Australian populations. This is more clear in the case of the Denisovan's and Neanderthal and we can only speculate whether it also occurred between homo sapiens and homo floresiensis, but I somehow suspect it happened. As we become more astute in reading DNA and understanding the larger sequences that exist in them and their lineages I suspect we will be finding other interesting lineages mixed in to our code... and that we are a hybridized species. But then is this not the way of nature :) Comparing genomes, scientists concluded that today's humans outside Africa carry an average of 2.5 percent Neanderthal DNA, and that people from parts of Oceania also carry about 5 percent Denisovan DNA. A study published in November found that Southeast Asians carry about 1 percent Denisovan DNA in addition to their Neanderthal genes. It is unclear whether Denisovans and Neanderthals also interbred. [Other studies seem to indicate that they did] http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/science/gains-in-dna-are-speeding-research -into-human-origins.html?pagewanted=all_r=0 -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Standish Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:33 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:28:19AM +1300, LizR wrote: I didn't realise there was still much doubt about this. I thought studying human DNA had made the out of Africa hypothesis fairly robust. (Obviously more confirming evidence will add another sigma, or whatever...) There is some evidence of interbreeding between the H. sapiens that migrated from Africa, and the indigenous Neanderthal and Denisovan species. IIRC, the indigineous species contributed something like 10% of the genetic code to the humans from those areas - N to Europeans, and D to some island populations off Asia. So its not quite Out of Africa exlusively, more like mostly Out of Africa, with a small dash of Multiregionalism. But its fascinating what we've learnt just in the last decade. When my son asked me (for a science assignment) to name a significant scientific technology, I immediately said PCR! Cheers -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ** ** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie
its not all that bad. The pig's name was Bloodwynn. Sincerely, Spudwinn -Original Message- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: __aolWsbDateToL10n__@_aol_wsl_date_@__aolWsbDateToL10n__ Subject: Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie That's the one. I don't know if it's true, or if someone's been telling porkies. On 23 October 2013 13:43, Chris de Morsella lt;cdemorse...@yahoo.comgt; wrote: Are you referring to the hypothesis that human’s are the result of a radical back hybridization from an ape-pig hybrid. Not a very self-ennobling creation story LOL. From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:36 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie Where do pigs come in? :) On 23 October 2013 12:24, Chris de Morsella lt;cdemorse...@yahoo.comgt; wrote:Yes... and some very interesting stuff too... It's also interesting also how widespread the interbreeding between Neanderthal and Denisovan's appears to have been based on DNA Interestingly there now appears to have been at least two separate hominid species -- including Homo floresiensis i.e. the Hobbits -- that in addition to the Neanderthal in Europe primarily -- have left a genetic trail in the heritage of the peoples now living in Micronesia and amongst aboriginal Australian populations. This is more clear in the case of the Denisovan's and Neanderthal and we can only speculate whether it also occurred between homo sapiens and homo floresiensis, but I somehow suspect it happened. As we become more astute in reading DNA and understanding the larger sequences that exist in them and their lineages I suspect we will be finding other interesting lineages mixed in to our code... and that we are a hybridized species. But then is this not the way of nature :) Comparing genomes, scientists concluded that today's humans outside Africa carry an average of 2.5 percent Neanderthal DNA, and that people from parts of Oceania also carry about 5 percent Denisovan DNA. A study published in November found that Southeast Asians carry about 1 percent Denisovan DNA in addition to their Neanderthal genes. It is unclear whether Denisovans and Neanderthals also interbred. [Other studies seem to indicate that they did] http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/science/gains-in-dna-are-speeding-research -into-human-origins.html?pagewanted=allamp;_r=0 -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Standish Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:33 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:28:19AM +1300, LizR wrote: gt; I didn't realise there was still much doubt about this. I thought gt; studying human DNA had made the out of Africa hypothesis fairly gt; robust. (Obviously more confirming evidence will add another sigma, or gt; whatever...) gt; There is some evidence of interbreeding between the H. sapiens that migrated from Africa, and the indigenous Neanderthal and Denisovan species. IIRC, the indigineous species contributed something like 10% of the genetic code to the humans from those areas - N to Europeans, and D to some island populations off Asia. So its not quite Out of Africa exlusively, more like mostly Out of Africa, with a small dash of Multiregionalism. But its fascinating what we've learnt just in the last decade. When my son asked me (for a science assignment) to name a significant scientific technology, I immediately said PCR! Cheers -- - --- Prof Russell Standish (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au - --- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https
Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie
Russell - and others: not that I would pretend to be an expert in genetical paleontology (or call it as you wish), but in my (obsolete: I studied college science 1940 - 1944) thinking I found it feasible that 'homo-like evolution could proceed from the Australopitecus as well as from the Orangutan type Red ape basis, not to exclude a similar Simianic origin from another part of Pangea (lately: America, even Polynesia) before they separated into recent continents. The evidence of that virus is conditional if it does not exclude infection later during higher steps of development. Say: the virus spread all over and infected the diverse types of developing 'homo'-s from simianic origins more than the ONE we assign today in our desultory justification with the African type. I could use more paleontological justification than conclusions from a jaw...(to be fascetious). Not only is the origination NOT restricted to the ONE A. Fragilis of Africa, a mixing - (ref: the 10% Neandertal - where did THEY originate from?) later on - is also feasible. I do not want to enter a discussion in a field where I am amiss of the foundations, just muse about my thinking in my agnostic mind. The official 'professionals' don't like lay ideas penetrate their privileged fields. John Mikes - (classic) polymer scientist - ret. (As a European immigrant in the US I said several time that I am an African American, the ancestors of whom emigrated from Africa and I came to the US after a 30,000 year delay in Europe). On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote: On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:28:19AM +1300, LizR wrote: I didn't realise there was still much doubt about this. I thought studying human DNA had made the out of Africa hypothesis fairly robust. (Obviously more confirming evidence will add another sigma, or whatever...) There is some evidence of interbreeding between the H. sapiens that migrated from Africa, and the indigenous Neanderthal and Denisovan species. IIRC, the indigineous species contributed something like 10% of the genetic code to the humans from those areas - N to Europeans, and D to some island populations off Asia. So its not quite Out of Africa exlusively, more like mostly Out of Africa, with a small dash of Multiregionalism. But its fascinating what we've learnt just in the last decade. When my son asked me (for a science assignment) to name a significant scientific technology, I immediately said PCR! Cheers -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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On 10/22/2013 5:47 PM, LizR wrote: That's the one. I don't know if it's true, or if someone's been telling porkies. On 23 October 2013 13:43, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com mailto:cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: Are you referring to the hypothesis that human’s are the result of a radical back hybridization from an ape-pig hybrid. Not a very self-ennobling creation story LOL. I have entered a class action lawsuit to end this nasty, untrue, libel of my clients, Mr. Scrofa and Mr. Pongo et al. Brent I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. --- Winston Churchill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I read in Elain Morgan's (Oxford UK) Aquatic Ape book an enjoyable comparison between human characteristic and those of pigs. It is not about hybridization at all. Enjoyable reading stuff. (The book is quite different from th recent denigration of the 'topic' into the mermaids and creationist aberrations). JM On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 7:36 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Where do pigs come in? :) On 23 October 2013 12:24, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes... and some very interesting stuff too... It's also interesting also how widespread the interbreeding between Neanderthal and Denisovan's appears to have been based on DNA Interestingly there now appears to have been at least two separate hominid species -- including Homo floresiensis i.e. the Hobbits -- that in addition to the Neanderthal in Europe primarily -- have left a genetic trail in the heritage of the peoples now living in Micronesia and amongst aboriginal Australian populations. This is more clear in the case of the Denisovan's and Neanderthal and we can only speculate whether it also occurred between homo sapiens and homo floresiensis, but I somehow suspect it happened. As we become more astute in reading DNA and understanding the larger sequences that exist in them and their lineages I suspect we will be finding other interesting lineages mixed in to our code... and that we are a hybridized species. But then is this not the way of nature :) Comparing genomes, scientists concluded that today's humans outside Africa carry an average of 2.5 percent Neanderthal DNA, and that people from parts of Oceania also carry about 5 percent Denisovan DNA. A study published in November found that Southeast Asians carry about 1 percent Denisovan DNA in addition to their Neanderthal genes. It is unclear whether Denisovans and Neanderthals also interbred. [Other studies seem to indicate that they did] http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/science/gains-in-dna-are-speeding-research -into-human-origins.html?pagewanted=all_r=0http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/science/gains-in-dna-are-speeding-research-into-human-origins.html?pagewanted=all_r=0 -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Standish Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:33 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:28:19AM +1300, LizR wrote: I didn't realise there was still much doubt about this. I thought studying human DNA had made the out of Africa hypothesis fairly robust. (Obviously more confirming evidence will add another sigma, or whatever...) There is some evidence of interbreeding between the H. sapiens that migrated from Africa, and the indigenous Neanderthal and Denisovan species. IIRC, the indigineous species contributed something like 10% of the genetic code to the humans from those areas - N to Europeans, and D to some island populations off Asia. So its not quite Out of Africa exlusively, more like mostly Out of Africa, with a small dash of Multiregionalism. But its fascinating what we've learnt just in the last decade. When my son asked me (for a science assignment) to name a significant scientific technology, I immediately said PCR! Cheers -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http
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On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 10:06:50PM -0400, John Mikes wrote: Russell - and others: not that I would pretend to be an expert in genetical paleontology (or call it as you wish), but in my (obsolete: I studied college science 1940 - 1944) thinking I found it feasible that 'homo-like evolution could proceed from the Australopitecus as well as from the Orangutan type Red ape basis, not to exclude a similar Simianic origin from another part of Pangea (lately: America, even Polynesia) before they separated into recent continents. The evidence of that virus is conditional if it does not exclude infection later during higher steps of development. Say: the virus spread all over and infected the diverse types of developing 'homo'-s from simianic origins more than the ONE we assign today in our desultory justification with the African type. I could use more paleontological justification than conclusions from a jaw...(to be fascetious). Not only is the origination NOT restricted to the ONE A. Fragilis of Africa, a mixing - (ref: the 10% Neandertal - where did THEY originate from?) later on - is also feasible. Australopithecus et al. is a truly ancient African story. At some point, around a million years ago, Homo erectus left Africa and colonised the globe (well OK not Australia or the Americas, but everywhere else). H. erectus evolved over time into 3-4 disinct species, include H. sapien (in Africa), H. neanderthalis, the Denisovans and H. Rudoplhensis, if that's still considered a separate species. The Out of Africa hypothesis does not refer to the exodus of H. erectus (which was never controversial), but that of H. sapiens nearly a million years later. The countervailing view point was that H. sapiens left Africa and merged (or assimilated) with the indiginous species, the so called Multiregional hypothesis. Genetics have shown that Out of Africa is mostly correct, with just a dash of Multiregionalism. In reference to an earlier multiregionalism, we're probably just too distant from other non-African apes, such as the Orangutan for any significant hybridisation to occur. We're more than 15 million years separated from them. But - I'm no expert either, but I know one, who I guess would tell you all of that. Cheers I do not want to enter a discussion in a field where I am amiss of the foundations, just muse about my thinking in my agnostic mind. The official 'professionals' don't like lay ideas penetrate their privileged fields. John Mikes - (classic) polymer scientist - ret. (As a European immigrant in the US I said several time that I am an African American, the ancestors of whom emigrated from Africa and I came to the US after a 30,000 year delay in Europe). On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote: On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:28:19AM +1300, LizR wrote: I didn't realise there was still much doubt about this. I thought studying human DNA had made the out of Africa hypothesis fairly robust. (Obviously more confirming evidence will add another sigma, or whatever...) There is some evidence of interbreeding between the H. sapiens that migrated from Africa, and the indigenous Neanderthal and Denisovan species. IIRC, the indigineous species contributed something like 10% of the genetic code to the humans from those areas - N to Europeans, and D to some island populations off Asia. So its not quite Out of Africa exlusively, more like mostly Out of Africa, with a small dash of Multiregionalism. But its fascinating what we've learnt just in the last decade. When my son asked me (for a science assignment) to name a significant scientific technology, I immediately said PCR! Cheers -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
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Was that The Descent of Woman (or was it ascent?) I read it some years ago now. Seemed to make sense. On 23 October 2013 15:18, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: I read in Elain Morgan's (Oxford UK) Aquatic Ape book an enjoyable comparison between human characteristic and those of pigs. It is not about hybridization at all. Enjoyable reading stuff. (The book is quite different from th recent denigration of the 'topic' into the mermaids and creationist aberrations). JM On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 7:36 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Where do pigs come in? :) On 23 October 2013 12:24, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: Yes... and some very interesting stuff too... It's also interesting also how widespread the interbreeding between Neanderthal and Denisovan's appears to have been based on DNA Interestingly there now appears to have been at least two separate hominid species -- including Homo floresiensis i.e. the Hobbits -- that in addition to the Neanderthal in Europe primarily -- have left a genetic trail in the heritage of the peoples now living in Micronesia and amongst aboriginal Australian populations. This is more clear in the case of the Denisovan's and Neanderthal and we can only speculate whether it also occurred between homo sapiens and homo floresiensis, but I somehow suspect it happened. As we become more astute in reading DNA and understanding the larger sequences that exist in them and their lineages I suspect we will be finding other interesting lineages mixed in to our code... and that we are a hybridized species. But then is this not the way of nature :) Comparing genomes, scientists concluded that today's humans outside Africa carry an average of 2.5 percent Neanderthal DNA, and that people from parts of Oceania also carry about 5 percent Denisovan DNA. A study published in November found that Southeast Asians carry about 1 percent Denisovan DNA in addition to their Neanderthal genes. It is unclear whether Denisovans and Neanderthals also interbred. [Other studies seem to indicate that they did] http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/science/gains-in-dna-are-speeding-research -into-human-origins.html?pagewanted=all_r=0http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/science/gains-in-dna-are-speeding-research-into-human-origins.html?pagewanted=all_r=0 -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Standish Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:33 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:28:19AM +1300, LizR wrote: I didn't realise there was still much doubt about this. I thought studying human DNA had made the out of Africa hypothesis fairly robust. (Obviously more confirming evidence will add another sigma, or whatever...) There is some evidence of interbreeding between the H. sapiens that migrated from Africa, and the indigenous Neanderthal and Denisovan species. IIRC, the indigineous species contributed something like 10% of the genetic code to the humans from those areas - N to Europeans, and D to some island populations off Asia. So its not quite Out of Africa exlusively, more like mostly Out of Africa, with a small dash of Multiregionalism. But its fascinating what we've learnt just in the last decade. When my son asked me (for a science assignment) to name a significant scientific technology, I immediately said PCR! Cheers -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving
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Hehe, neither do I, but for sheer outrageousness factor this story stands on its own as an immortal meme. as a kind of anti-creation myth that strips our species of any noble origin - such as say crafted in the image of God almighty or interbred with star people in little flying saucers inseminating apes. this is the antidote of all these other stories Asserting instead how we are hairless pig-apes; and come to think of it we rather do behave like pigs. so maybe there is something to it ;) From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:47 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie That's the one. I don't know if it's true, or if someone's been telling porkies. On 23 October 2013 13:43, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: Are you referring to the hypothesis that human's are the result of a radical back hybridization from an ape-pig hybrid. Not a very self-ennobling creation story LOL. From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:36 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie Where do pigs come in? :) On 23 October 2013 12:24, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes... and some very interesting stuff too... It's also interesting also how widespread the interbreeding between Neanderthal and Denisovan's appears to have been based on DNA Interestingly there now appears to have been at least two separate hominid species -- including Homo floresiensis i.e. the Hobbits -- that in addition to the Neanderthal in Europe primarily -- have left a genetic trail in the heritage of the peoples now living in Micronesia and amongst aboriginal Australian populations. This is more clear in the case of the Denisovan's and Neanderthal and we can only speculate whether it also occurred between homo sapiens and homo floresiensis, but I somehow suspect it happened. As we become more astute in reading DNA and understanding the larger sequences that exist in them and their lineages I suspect we will be finding other interesting lineages mixed in to our code... and that we are a hybridized species. But then is this not the way of nature :) Comparing genomes, scientists concluded that today's humans outside Africa carry an average of 2.5 percent Neanderthal DNA, and that people from parts of Oceania also carry about 5 percent Denisovan DNA. A study published in November found that Southeast Asians carry about 1 percent Denisovan DNA in addition to their Neanderthal genes. It is unclear whether Denisovans and Neanderthals also interbred. [Other studies seem to indicate that they did] http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/science/gains-in-dna-are-speeding-research http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/science/gains-in-dna-are-speeding-researc h-into-human-origins.html?pagewanted=all_r=0 -into-human-origins.html?pagewanted=all_r=0 -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Standish Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:33 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:28:19AM +1300, LizR wrote: I didn't realise there was still much doubt about this. I thought studying human DNA had made the out of Africa hypothesis fairly robust. (Obviously more confirming evidence will add another sigma, or whatever...) There is some evidence of interbreeding between the H. sapiens that migrated from Africa, and the indigenous Neanderthal and Denisovan species. IIRC, the indigineous species contributed something like 10% of the genetic code to the humans from those areas - N to Europeans, and D to some island populations off Asia. So its not quite Out of Africa exlusively, more like mostly Out of Africa, with a small dash of Multiregionalism. But its fascinating what we've learnt just in the last decade. When my son asked me (for a science assignment) to name a significant scientific technology, I immediately said PCR! Cheers -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to everything-list
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Apparently the original theory was due to Sir Francis Bacon... On 23 October 2013 17:00, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: Hehe, neither do I, but for sheer outrageousness factor this story stands on its own as an immortal meme… as a kind of anti-creation myth that strips our species of any noble origin – such as say crafted in the image of God almighty or interbred with star people in little flying saucers inseminating apes… this is the antidote of all these other stories Asserting instead how we are hairless pig-apes; and come to think of it we rather do behave like pigs… so maybe there is something to it ;) ** ** *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *LizR *Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:47 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie ** ** That's the one. I don't know if it's true, or if someone's been telling porkies. ** ** On 23 October 2013 13:43, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: Are you referring to the hypothesis that human’s are the result of a radical back hybridization from an ape-pig hybrid. Not a very self-ennobling creation story LOL. *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *LizR *Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:36 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie Where do pigs come in? :) On 23 October 2013 12:24, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes... and some very interesting stuff too... It's also interesting also how widespread the interbreeding between Neanderthal and Denisovan's appears to have been based on DNA Interestingly there now appears to have been at least two separate hominid species -- including Homo floresiensis i.e. the Hobbits -- that in addition to the Neanderthal in Europe primarily -- have left a genetic trail in the heritage of the peoples now living in Micronesia and amongst aboriginal Australian populations. This is more clear in the case of the Denisovan's and Neanderthal and we can only speculate whether it also occurred between homo sapiens and homo floresiensis, but I somehow suspect it happened. As we become more astute in reading DNA and understanding the larger sequences that exist in them and their lineages I suspect we will be finding other interesting lineages mixed in to our code... and that we are a hybridized species. But then is this not the way of nature :) Comparing genomes, scientists concluded that today's humans outside Africa carry an average of 2.5 percent Neanderthal DNA, and that people from parts of Oceania also carry about 5 percent Denisovan DNA. A study published in November found that Southeast Asians carry about 1 percent Denisovan DNA in addition to their Neanderthal genes. It is unclear whether Denisovans and Neanderthals also interbred. [Other studies seem to indicate that they did] http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/science/gains-in-dna-are-speeding-research -into-human-origins.html?pagewanted=all_r=0 -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Standish Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:33 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:28:19AM +1300, LizR wrote: I didn't realise there was still much doubt about this. I thought studying human DNA had made the out of Africa hypothesis fairly robust. (Obviously more confirming evidence will add another sigma, or whatever...) There is some evidence of interbreeding between the H. sapiens that migrated from Africa, and the indigenous Neanderthal and Denisovan species. IIRC, the indigineous species contributed something like 10% of the genetic code to the humans from those areas - N to Europeans, and D to some island populations off Asia. So its not quite Out of Africa exlusively, more like mostly Out of Africa, with a small dash of Multiregionalism. But its fascinating what we've learnt just in the last decade. When my son asked me (for a science assignment) to name a significant scientific technology, I immediately said PCR! Cheers -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group
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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Mikes Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 7:07 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie Russell - and others: not that I would pretend to be an expert in genetical paleontology (or call it as you wish), but in my (obsolete: I studied college science 1940 - 1944) thinking I found it feasible that 'homo-like evolution could proceed from the Australopitecus as well as from the Orangutan type Red ape basis, not to exclude a similar Simianic origin from another part of Pangea (lately: America, even Polynesia) before they separated into recent continents. The evidence of that virus is conditional if it does not exclude infection later during higher steps of development. Say: the virus spread all over and infected the diverse types of developing 'homo'-s from simianic origins more than the ONE we assign today in our desultory justification with the African type. I could use more paleontological justification than conclusions from a jaw...(to be fascetious). But aren't these viruses highly selected for their host species? Wouldn't each hominid species have its own - fingerprint of co-evolved set of parasite and symbiotic species. This would clearly be reflected in the virus DNA. Not only is the origination NOT restricted to the ONE A. Fragilis of Africa, a mixing - (ref: the 10% Neandertal - where did THEY originate from?) later on - is also feasible. I do not want to enter a discussion in a field where I am amiss of the foundations, just muse about my thinking in my agnostic mind. The official 'professionals' don't like lay ideas penetrate their privileged fields. John Mikes - (classic) polymer scientist - ret. (As a European immigrant in the US I said several time that I am an African American, the ancestors of whom emigrated from Africa and I came to the US after a 30,000 year delay in Europe). Pretty funny hopefully you mostly got laughs. what is telling is how uncomfortable this idea makes some people get. kind of begs the question, why? On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:28:19AM +1300, LizR wrote: I didn't realise there was still much doubt about this. I thought studying human DNA had made the out of Africa hypothesis fairly robust. (Obviously more confirming evidence will add another sigma, or whatever...) There is some evidence of interbreeding between the H. sapiens that migrated from Africa, and the indigenous Neanderthal and Denisovan species. IIRC, the indigineous species contributed something like 10% of the genetic code to the humans from those areas - N to Europeans, and D to some island populations off Asia. So its not quite Out of Africa exlusively, more like mostly Out of Africa, with a small dash of Multiregionalism. But its fascinating what we've learnt just in the last decade. When my son asked me (for a science assignment) to name a significant scientific technology, I immediately said PCR! Cheers -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie
Good point and these earlier hominids were also more sophisticated than has been commonly assumed (for example the evidence for mastery of fire, tanning and finely worked leather garments, hafted spears found in Peking man sites: http://prehist.org/news/253/Peking+Man+was+possibly+sophisticated+leatherwor ker/) -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Standish Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:05 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: HUMANS all come FROM AFRICA: HERPES does not lie On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 10:06:50PM -0400, John Mikes wrote: Russell - and others: not that I would pretend to be an expert in genetical paleontology (or call it as you wish), but in my (obsolete: I studied college science 1940 - 1944) thinking I found it feasible that 'homo-like evolution could proceed from the Australopitecus as well as from the Orangutan type Red ape basis, not to exclude a similar Simianic origin from another part of Pangea (lately: America, even Polynesia) before they separated into recent continents. The evidence of that virus is conditional if it does not exclude infection later during higher steps of development. Say: the virus spread all over and infected the diverse types of developing 'homo'-s from simianic origins more than the ONE we assign today in our desultory justification with the African type. I could use more paleontological justification than conclusions from a jaw...(to be fascetious). Not only is the origination NOT restricted to the ONE A. Fragilis of Africa, a mixing - (ref: the 10% Neandertal - where did THEY originate from?) later on - is also feasible. Australopithecus et al. is a truly ancient African story. At some point, around a million years ago, Homo erectus left Africa and colonised the globe (well OK not Australia or the Americas, but everywhere else). H. erectus evolved over time into 3-4 disinct species, include H. sapien (in Africa), H. neanderthalis, the Denisovans and H. Rudoplhensis, if that's still considered a separate species. The Out of Africa hypothesis does not refer to the exodus of H. erectus (which was never controversial), but that of H. sapiens nearly a million years later. The countervailing view point was that H. sapiens left Africa and merged (or assimilated) with the indiginous species, the so called Multiregional hypothesis. Genetics have shown that Out of Africa is mostly correct, with just a dash of Multiregionalism. In reference to an earlier multiregionalism, we're probably just too distant from other non-African apes, such as the Orangutan for any significant hybridisation to occur. We're more than 15 million years separated from them. But - I'm no expert either, but I know one, who I guess would tell you all of that. Cheers I do not want to enter a discussion in a field where I am amiss of the foundations, just muse about my thinking in my agnostic mind. The official 'professionals' don't like lay ideas penetrate their privileged fields. John Mikes - (classic) polymer scientist - ret. (As a European immigrant in the US I said several time that I am an African American, the ancestors of whom emigrated from Africa and I came to the US after a 30,000 year delay in Europe). On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote: On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:28:19AM +1300, LizR wrote: I didn't realise there was still much doubt about this. I thought studying human DNA had made the out of Africa hypothesis fairly robust. (Obviously more confirming evidence will add another sigma, or whatever...) There is some evidence of interbreeding between the H. sapiens that migrated from Africa, and the indigenous Neanderthal and Denisovan species. IIRC, the indigineous species contributed something like 10% of the genetic code to the humans from those areas - N to Europeans, and D to some island populations off Asia. So its not quite Out of Africa exlusively, more like mostly Out of Africa, with a small dash of Multiregionalism. But its fascinating what we've learnt just in the last decade. When my son asked me (for a science assignment) to name a significant scientific technology, I immediately said PCR! Cheers -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything
