Re: Stephen and Bruno
Note that the original poster in this thread is using a gmail.com address, rather than the true Roger's verizon.net address. Jason On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 8/21/2012 11:02 AM, John Mikes wrote: Dear Roger, (re: Brent's post below) Brent wrote it superbly. You, with your immense educational thesaurus (lit, thinking, writing skills etc.) 'occupied' this list now for some weeks in the controversy by a (I wish I had a better distinction) religious(?) faith-based mindset vs. the well established and decades-long working ensemble of the list - on other grounds. The participants on this list are strong minds and well established, you have little chance to convert them - although some of us linger into close-to-religious belief systems, which may be a definitional problem (e.g. Bruno's theology and god, etc.). You could be more accepted and happier on another list where the majority is closer to your own belief system. YET: Maybe you do seek controversy? I could understand that, but your posting fervor is taking over our list. Have mercy! Please, consider this a friendly remark. John Mikes Dear John, I think that is is sometimes a good thing to have use shaken out of our doldrums! I like Roger's contributions! They have already helped be make some great advances in my own work. ;-) On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:00 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/20/2012 5:16 AM, Roger wrote: Hi Bruno and Stephen I want to inform you that you are wrong in all of your writings. Please understand how very incorrect you are about everything you post! Why are you so wrong. Roger I *(am?)* glad Roger cleared that up. :-) Brent Shut up he explained. --- Ring Lardner -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- Onward! Stephen Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed. ~ Francis Bacon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Stephen and Bruno
Hi John Mikes Somebody else on this list must have written that sour remark. It wasn't I. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/22/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: John Mikes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-21, 11:02:33 Subject: Re: Stephen and Bruno Dear Roger, ? (re:?rent's post below) Brent wrote it superbly. You, with your immense educational thesaurus (lit, thinking, writing skills etc.) 'occupied' this list now for some weeks in the controversy by a (I wish I had a better distinction) religious(?) faith-based mindset vs. the well established and decades-long working ensemble of the list - on other grounds. ? The?articipants on this list are strong minds and well established, you have little chance to convert them - although some of us linger into close-to-religious belief systems, which may be a?efinitional problem (e.g. Bruno's theology and god, etc.). You could be more accepted and happier on another list where the majority is closer to your own belief system. YET: Maybe you do seek controversy? I could understand that, but your posting fervor is taking over our list. Have mercy! Please, consider this a friendly remark. John Mikes On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:00 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/20/2012 5:16 AM, Roger wrote: Hi Bruno and Stephen I want to inform you that you are wrong in all of your writings. Please understand how very incorrect you are about everything you post! Why are you so wrong. Roger I (am?) glad Roger cleared that up.? :-) Brent Shut up he explained. ?? --- Ring Lardner -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Stephen and Bruno
Stephen, my stance as well on (even controversial) argumentation. HOWEVER (isn't one everywhere?) the 'advancement' one achieves by certain explanations might 'color' one's own ideas into shades unwanted. If you read a well formulated argument it inevitably sticks in your mind and later is hard to separate. A reason why most religious people cannot accept logical (scientific) refutation and fall back into old meme superstition. I appreciate Roger's knowledgeability in ancient (mostly idealistic) theories but his fundamental color is biblical FAITH. I know him from another (nonreligious) list, where I asked the moderator to curtail the amount of those overwhelmingly religious postings - and he did. Roger is still on, but hiding some of his true colors (mostly). (A reason why I refrained from responding to his posts. I want to keep friendly to that other list, too.) You are absolutely right about the topical invigorating by the deluge of posts - add to it that Roger starts from a one-sided position only. Most discussions on the Everything list are also one-sided, but as in the past - from ANOTHER side. (Bruno is close to faithfulness, not a formal religion though, but his mind-body is close to a 'soul' belief.) I used to be a Catholic, then reincarnationalistic (Ouija-board fan), now I can't include into my ongoing worldview *(agnosticism, based on the 'infinite complexity', - to us unknowable in toto)* WHAT may remain after death of our (human? with trillion microbial biomes) complexity that is destroyed - reshaped *AS a memory of ourselves*. Which part would 'remember' and 'respond' to a destroyed complexity (us) after we are gone? - Surviving parts MAY connect to different complexities and 'live'(?) as such. It is a pity that Adam and Eve are not 'real'. And do not forget my distinction for the physical world (as we pretend to know it): *a figment of yesterday's stance*. Leibnitz etc.? I respect those oldies of those (their) times. Best to you John On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 8/21/2012 11:02 AM, John Mikes wrote: Dear Roger, (re: Brent's post below) Brent wrote it superbly. You, with your immense educational thesaurus (lit, thinking, writing skills etc.) 'occupied' this list now for some weeks in the controversy by a (I wish I had a better distinction) religious(?) faith-based mindset vs. the well established and decades-long working ensemble of the list - on other grounds. The participants on this list are strong minds and well established, you have little chance to convert them - although some of us linger into close-to-religious belief systems, which may be a definitional problem (e.g. Bruno's theology and god, etc.). You could be more accepted and happier on another list where the majority is closer to your own belief system. YET: Maybe you do seek controversy? I could understand that, but your posting fervor is taking over our list. Have mercy! Please, consider this a friendly remark. John Mikes Dear John, I think that is is sometimes a good thing to have use shaken out of our doldrums! I like Roger's contributions! They have already helped be make some great advances in my own work. ;-) On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:00 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/20/2012 5:16 AM, Roger wrote: Hi Bruno and Stephen I want to inform you that you are wrong in all of your writings. Please understand how very incorrect you are about everything you post! Why are you so wrong. Roger I *(am?)* glad Roger cleared that up. :-) Brent Shut up he explained. --- Ring Lardner -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- Onward! Stephen Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed. ~ Francis Bacon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to
Re: Re: Stephen and Bruno
In this case: my apologies JM On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:40 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi John Mikes Somebody else on this list must have written that sour remark. It wasn't I. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/22/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function. - Receiving the following content - *From:* John Mikes jami...@gmail.com *Receiver:* everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com *Time:* 2012-08-21, 11:02:33 *Subject:* Re: Stephen and Bruno Dear Roger, � (re:燘rent's post below) Brent wrote it superbly. You, with your immense educational thesaurus (lit, thinking, writing skills etc.) 'occupied' this list now for some weeks in the controversy by a (I wish I had a better distinction) religious(?) faith-based mindset vs. the well established and decades-long working ensemble of the list - on other grounds. � The爌articipants on this list are strong minds and well established, you have little chance to convert them - although some of us linger into close-to-religious belief systems, which may be a燿efinitional problem (e.g. Bruno's theology and god, etc.). You could be more accepted and happier on another list where the majority is closer to your own belief system. YET: Maybe you do seek controversy? I could understand that, but your posting fervor is taking over our list. Have mercy! Please, consider this a friendly remark. John Mikes On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:00 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/20/2012 5:16 AM, Roger wrote: Hi Bruno and Stephen I want to inform you that you are wrong in all of your writings. Please understand how very incorrect you are about everything you post! Why are you so wrong. Roger I *(am?)* glad Roger cleared that up.� :-) Brent Shut up he explained. 牋� --- Ring Lardner -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Stephen and Bruno
Hi John, I have well functioning delete and spam filter buttons that I can use if things get out of hand on my end. ;-) On 8/22/2012 3:23 PM, John Mikes wrote: Stephen, my stance as well on (even controversial) argumentation. HOWEVER (isn't one everywhere?) the 'advancement' one achieves by certain explanations might 'color' one's own ideas into shades unwanted. If you read a well formulated argument it inevitably sticks in your mind and later is hard to separate. A reason why most religious people cannot accept logical (scientific) refutation and fall back into old meme superstition. I appreciate Roger's knowledgeability in ancient (mostly idealistic) theories but his fundamental color is biblical FAITH. I know him from another (nonreligious) list, where I asked the moderator to curtail the amount of those overwhelmingly religious postings - and he did. Roger is still on, but hiding some of his true colors (mostly). (A reason why I refrained from responding to his posts. I want to keep friendly to that other list, too.) You are absolutely right about the topical invigorating by the deluge of posts - add to it that Roger starts from a one-sided position only. Most discussions on the Everything list are also one-sided, but as in the past - from ANOTHER side. (Bruno is close to faithfulness, not a formal religion though, but his mind-body is close to a 'soul' belief.) I used to be a Catholic, then reincarnationalistic (Ouija-board fan), now I can't include into my ongoing worldview /(agnosticism, based on the 'infinite complexity', - to us unknowable in toto)/ WHAT may remain after death of our (human? with trillion microbial biomes) complexity that is destroyed - reshaped */AS a memory of ourselves/*. Which part would 'remember' and 'respond' to a destroyed complexity (us) after we are gone? - Surviving parts MAY connect to different complexities and 'live'(?) as such. It is a pity that Adam and Eve are not 'real'. And do not forget my distinction for the physical world (as we pretend to know it): *a figment of _yesterday's_ stance*. Leibnitz etc.? I respect those oldies of those (their) times. Best to you John On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net wrote: On 8/21/2012 11:02 AM, John Mikes wrote: Dear Roger, (re: Brent's post below) Brent wrote it superbly. You, with your immense educational thesaurus (lit, thinking, writing skills etc.) 'occupied' this list now for some weeks in the controversy by a (I wish I had a better distinction) religious(?) faith-based mindset vs. the well established and decades-long working ensemble of the list - on other grounds. The participants on this list are strong minds and well established, you have little chance to convert them - although some of us linger into close-to-religious belief systems, which may be a definitional problem (e.g. Bruno's theology and god, etc.). You could be more accepted and happier on another list where the majority is closer to your own belief system. YET: Maybe you do seek controversy? I could understand that, but your posting fervor is taking over our list. Have mercy! Please, consider this a friendly remark. John Mikes Dear John, I think that is is sometimes a good thing to have use shaken out of our doldrums! I like Roger's contributions! They have already helped be make some great advances in my own work. ;-) On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:00 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/20/2012 5:16 AM, Roger wrote: Hi Bruno and Stephen I want to inform you that you are wrong in all of your writings. Please understand how very incorrect you are about everything you post! Why are you so wrong. Roger I /(am?)/ glad Roger cleared that up. :-) Brent Shut up he explained. --- Ring Lardner -- Onward! Stephen Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed. ~ Francis Bacon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Stephen and Bruno
Hi meekerdb It wasn't me. Someone else here posted that statement (that Bruno and Stephen say everything wrongly). Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/21/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-20, 16:00:35 Subject: Re: Stephen and Bruno On 8/20/2012 5:16 AM, Roger wrote: Hi Bruno and Stephen I want to inform you that you are wrong in all of your writings. Please understand how very incorrect you are about everything you post! Why are you so wrong. Roger I glad Roger cleared that up. :-) Brent Shut up he explained. --- Ring Lardner -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Stephen and Bruno
Dear Roger, (re: Brent's post below) Brent wrote it superbly. You, with your immense educational thesaurus (lit, thinking, writing skills etc.) 'occupied' this list now for some weeks in the controversy by a (I wish I had a better distinction) religious(?) faith-based mindset vs. the well established and decades-long working ensemble of the list - on other grounds. The participants on this list are strong minds and well established, you have little chance to convert them - although some of us linger into close-to-religious belief systems, which may be a definitional problem (e.g. Bruno's theology and god, etc.). You could be more accepted and happier on another list where the majority is closer to your own belief system. YET: Maybe you do seek controversy? I could understand that, but your posting fervor is taking over our list. Have mercy! Please, consider this a friendly remark. John Mikes On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:00 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/20/2012 5:16 AM, Roger wrote: Hi Bruno and Stephen I want to inform you that you are wrong in all of your writings. Please understand how very incorrect you are about everything you post! Why are you so wrong. Roger I *(am?)* glad Roger cleared that up. :-) Brent Shut up he explained. --- Ring Lardner -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Stephen and Bruno
On 8/20/2012 5:16 AM, Roger wrote: Hi Bruno and Stephen I want to inform you that you are wrong in all of your writings. Please understand how very incorrect you are about everything you post! Why are you so wrong. Roger I glad Roger cleared that up. :-) Brent Shut up he explained. --- Ring Lardner -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
