Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2013-01-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Dec 2012, at 00:22, Roger Clough wrote: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove 1. That God exists or does not exist. 2. That I exist or do not exist. 3. That computers can be conscious or not. 4. That there is a primary physical reality or not. You forget the main one

Re: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-30 Thread Roger Clough
Resch Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-29, 17:05:08 Subject: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove 1. That God exists or does not exist. 2. That I

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Dec 2012, at 21:15, meekerdb wrote: On 12/29/2012 4:56 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Bruno Marchalmarc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: It's possible to prove that computers can be conscious if it can be proved that the physical movement of the parts of the

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
Time: 2012-12-28, 13:29:55 Subject: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove On 12/28/2012 4:45 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Can you suggest a scientific method to prove or disprove the solipsism puzzle ? Everybody solves it by the scientific method: they observe other

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Dec 2012, at 03:20, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/28/2012 7:46 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:09 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/28/2012 1:29 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Can you suggest a scientific method to prove or disprove

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-29 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: It's possible to prove that computers can be conscious if it can be proved that the physical movement of the parts of the brain can be simulated by a computer. Assuming you can prove consciousness is related to those

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-29 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 9:41 AM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Stathis!!! (See after your remark) - John M On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: It's possible to prove that computers can be conscious if it can be proved that the

Re: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-29 Thread Roger Clough
:07 Subject: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: It's possible to prove that computers can be conscious if it can be proved that the physical movement of the parts of the brain can be simulated by a computer

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-29 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/29/2012 7:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Dec 2012, at 03:20, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/28/2012 7:46 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:09 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/28/2012 1:29 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Can you suggest a

Re: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-29 Thread Roger Clough
, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-12-29, 10:38:18 Subject: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove On 12/29/2012 7:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Dec 2012, at 03:20

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-29 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove 1. That God exists or does not exist. If God exists then His existence should be obvious to a blind man in a fog bank, but it is not and the only reason that could be is that God has

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-29 Thread meekerdb
On 12/29/2012 5:05 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 9:41 AM, John Mikesjami...@gmail.com wrote: Stathis!!! (See after your remark) - John M On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Stathis Papaioannoustath...@gmail.com wrote: It's possible to prove that computers

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-29 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove 1. That God exists or does not exist. 2. That I exist or do not exist. Proof that you exist: If you are reading this you exist. Q.E.D. Or at least it is proof that

Re: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-28 Thread Roger Clough
Time: 2012-12-27, 20:11:51 Subject: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove On 12/27/2012 4:38 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Roger Cloughrclo...@verizon.net wrote This is a silly game. There are different kinds and standards of proof. Mathematical

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-28 Thread meekerdb
On 12/28/2012 4:45 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Can you suggest a scientific method to prove or disprove the solipsism puzzle ? Everybody solves it by the scientific method: they observe other people, they create a model in which other people are like themselves, they test the model

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Dec 2012, at 01:38, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove 1. That God exists or does not exist. 2. That I exist or do not exist. 3. That computers can be conscious or not.

Re: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-28 Thread Roger Clough
: everything-list Time: 2012-12-28, 13:29:55 Subject: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove On 12/28/2012 4:45 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Can you suggest a scientific method to prove or disprove the solipsism puzzle ? Everybody solves it by the scientific method

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-28 Thread John Mikes
Stathis!!! (See after your remark) - John M On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote: It's possible to prove that computers can be conscious if it can be proved that the physical movement of the parts of the brain can be simulated by a computer.

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-28 Thread John Mikes
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:41 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Stathis!!! (See after your remark) - John M On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote: It's possible to prove that computers can be conscious if it can be proved that the

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-28 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/28/2012 1:29 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Can you suggest a scientific method to prove or disprove the solipsism puzzle ? Everybody solves it by the scientific method: they observe other people, they create a model in which other people are

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-28 Thread meekerdb
On 12/28/2012 4:09 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/28/2012 1:29 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Can you suggest a scientific method to prove or disprove the solipsism puzzle ? Everybody solves it by the scientific method: they observe other people,

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-28 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/28/2012 7:46 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:09 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/28/2012 1:29 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/28/2012 4:45 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb Can you suggest a scientific method to prove or disprove the solipsism puzzle ? Everybody solves it by the

Re: Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-27 Thread Roger Clough
Hi LK Personal Right. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/27/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: LK Personal Receiver: Roger Clough Time: 2012-12-27, 00:46:11 Subject: Re: Three things that one cannot

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove 1. That God exists or does not exist. 2. That I exist or do not exist. 3. That computers can be conscious or not. It's possible to prove that computers can be conscious

Re: Three things that one cannot prove or disprove

2012-12-27 Thread meekerdb
On 12/27/2012 4:38 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Roger Cloughrclo...@verizon.net wrote This is a silly game. There are different kinds and standards of proof. Mathematical theorems are proven by following defined rules of inference from given axioms.