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Communism (30s and 50s) and I disliked it because of unjust cruelty against certain people. (Rakosi, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc.) I was learning about Nazism (40s) and I dislliked it because of unjust cruelty against certain people. (Hitler, Skin-Heads, Szalasi, etc.) I am learning about Islam (10s) and I dislike it because of unjust cruelty against certain people. (IS and Saudi beheadings, etc.) In my studies I also learned about Catholicism and I disliked it becuase the unjust (dogmatic?) cruelty against certain people in the Inquisition etc. I learned about Judaism and disliked it because unjust cruelty against women. It also invoked the cruelty of anti-semites against themselves. I did not learn enough about Hinduism and Buddhism to dislike them, too. I dislike the new slaverism (=capitalism) and new feudalism (= global misunderstanding of what may be a democracy). JM On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose you can call it that :) People on this list have different assumptions, prejudices, misgivings, queries and (dis)interest level in Islam and the practice of Muslims. Just presenting the original document for any who might want to check for themselves. Actually I was a bit hesitant sharing but then I thought that some will object anyway. Samiya On 09-Jun-2015, at 6:56 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Doing Dawa? Interesting. -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2015 10:09 pm Subject: Quran Audio A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus Translation for anyone interested in listening to he Quran: http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/ Samiya -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything- l...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything- l...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe
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On 14 June 2015 at 02:38, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: What the hell?! If Allah had an ounce of moral character He should be asking for our forgiveness and stop demanding that we thank and love our torturer. Well said. Religion appears to be Stockholm syndrome writ large. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: I do not understand why those who have decided and declared themselves as atheists even bother to respond to my posts. Since you admit you don't understand I will inform you: it's because people who peddle religious ideas have caused more misery and ignorance in the world than anybody else on the planet so their pronouncements should not go unchallenged. I do however wish that those who consider themselves agnostics do read the scriptures. The stuff in Mother Goose or Grimms' Fairy Tales is not nearly as ridiculous as much of the crap in the Quran or the Bible, so are they scripture too? If not why not? The Quran itself recommends that every time one studies the Quran, to first pray for Allah's protection from the Devil It's the 21th century not the 9th but people are still babbling about evil spirits! But never mind, let's assume that the Devil does exist; I know that history is written by the victors and the Devel seems to have come off second best in that long ago war in heaven that Lucifer lost and exiled him to hell, but from a strictly moral point of view can you think of anything that demonstrates that Allah is morally superior to the Devil? Mr. Lucifer Beelzebub Satan may have been a bit naughty at times but he never came close to committing the monstrous evils that Allah did, like torturing millions of sentient beings that He created for an infinite and not just astronomical number of years, or giving a young child bone cancer. Allah repeatedly offers forgiveness What the hell?! If Allah had an ounce of moral character He should be asking for our forgiveness and stop demanding that we thank and love our torturer. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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What is inaccurate? More importantly, what is popularly believed and acted upon by the Uma, by, the Judges making Fatwas? Taquiyya, for the Qfar, won't help matters. It is ultimately how people behave, no matter what Quran, or Soonah, or Bukhari instructs. Beyond this, if God is logical, and I assume he is, then How does he do things like bring forth a universe. The How questions eclipse the Why questions. The How questions inform, the why questions close the pursuit of knowledge, suprisingly. -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jun 13, 2015 12:01 am Subject: Re: Quran Audio Dear All, I do not know if I should be responding to any of the posts on this thread as we seem to just keep repeating ourselves. I do not understand why those who have decided and declared themselves as atheists even bother to respond to my posts. I do however wish that those who consider themselves agnostics do read the scriptures. God willing, they might find the answers to the questions in their heart. A word of caution: The Quran itself recommends that every time one studies the Quran, to first pray for Allah's protection from the Devil who attempts to misguide those who seek guidance. Allah repeatedly offers forgiveness guidance throughout the Quran, and the text also explains why guidance is withheld from whom and why. May the scriptures enlighten us. Amen. Samiya On 13-Jun-2015, at 5:46 am, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Just to put my own dim consciousness into this arena, I did inquire of a young Pakistani, what he thought was the main motivation behind jihad. I asked if it was the great reward of being with Allah forever, and the women, etc. This guy corrected me and indicated, no it was not the great reward driving the jihad, but, rather, the eternal death in the grave, and the dual notion of gahannom (gehenim) in a fiery punishment for betraying Allah's eddicts. I over simplify on all this, but I believe also, that islamic teachings indicate, that they are Dar es Salaam, the House of Peace, and that we, the Qfar, or infidels, are the House of War, and that true peace is never to be offered to the Qfar, on a truce (hudna) can be offered. Thus, peace is never to be attained, as we understand it because those in the Uma, risk being burned up forever, by defiling Allah and themselves, with the uncleaness, of the Qfar or traitor, aka Infidel. So there is zero incentive for being peaceful (unless a temporary truce) with the infidel. Who wishes eternal damnation upon themselves, and their families and friends by angering Allah? There is then, no incentive to be offered that can rival the punishment and reward of Allah. Its a no brainer. It does put the frame of reverence of behaviors if one recognizes this feature of how the other fellows feel and think. By their belief system, they would consider themselves to be insane, and humiliated, by offering anything to the traitors to God. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Jun 12, 2015 08:15 PM Subject: Re: Quran Audio On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study scripts the followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live humans and claim full credit for such cruelty in the afterlife? briefly (concentrate on science) If you concentrate on science there won't be much to say about Muslims. Although Muslims make up 23% of the world's population since 1900 only one Muslim has won a Nobel Prize in science, Ahmed Zewail won for chemistry in 1999. Abdus Salam won for physics in 1979 and his tombstone said First Muslim Nobel Laureate, but the Pakistani government officially decreed that Abdus Salam was NOT a Muslim and ordered that the word Muslim be erased from his tombstone. The same reason why people should study the sciences the followers (scientists / engineers / technicians / governments / military / businesses) of which experiment with, damage, kill live humans and animals, destroy ecosystems, etc
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to dislike them, too. I dislike the new slaverism (=capitalism) and new feudalism (= global misunderstanding of what may be a democracy). JM On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose you can call it that :) People on this list have different assumptions, prejudices, misgivings, queries and (dis)interest level in Islam and the practice of Muslims. Just presenting the original document for any who might want to check for themselves. Actually I was a bit hesitant sharing but then I thought that some will object anyway. Samiya On 09-Jun-2015, at 6:56 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Doing Dawa? Interesting. -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2015 10:09 pm Subject: Quran Audio A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus Translation for anyone interested in listening to he Quran: http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/ Samiya -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Well, one point at least. On 13 June 2015 at 16:23, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: The point of responding is that if a faith is indeed the word of god, it should have answers to all the major metaphysical and philosophical questions that might be asked of it. On 13 June 2015 at 16:01, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, I do not know if I should be responding to any of the posts on this thread as we seem to just keep repeating ourselves. I do not understand why those who have decided and declared themselves as atheists even bother to respond to my posts. I do however wish that those who consider themselves agnostics do read the scriptures. God willing, they might find the answers to the questions in their heart. A word of caution: The Quran itself recommends that every time one studies the Quran, to first pray for Allah's protection from the Devil who attempts to misguide those who seek guidance. Allah repeatedly offers forgiveness guidance throughout the Quran, and the text also explains why guidance is withheld from whom and why. May the scriptures enlighten us. Amen. Samiya On 13-Jun-2015, at 5:46 am, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Just to put my own dim consciousness into this arena, I did inquire of a young Pakistani, what he thought was the main motivation behind jihad. I asked if it was the great reward of being with Allah forever, and the women, etc. This guy corrected me and indicated, no it was not the great reward driving the jihad, but, rather, the eternal death in the grave, and the dual notion of gahannom (gehenim) in a fiery punishment for betraying Allah's eddicts. I over simplify on all this, but I believe also, that islamic teachings indicate, that they are Dar es Salaam, the House of Peace, and that we, the Qfar, or infidels, are the House of War, and that true peace is never to be offered to the Qfar, on a truce (hudna) can be offered. Thus, peace is never to be attained, as we understand it because those in the Uma, risk being burned up forever, by defiling Allah and themselves, with the uncleaness, of the Qfar or traitor, aka Infidel. So there is zero incentive for being peaceful (unless a temporary truce) with the infidel. Who wishes eternal damnation upon themselves, and their families and friends by angering Allah? There is then, no incentive to be offered that can rival the punishment and reward of Allah. Its a no brainer. It does put the frame of reverence of behaviors if one recognizes this feature of how the other fellows feel and think. By their belief system, they would consider themselves to be insane, and humiliated, by offering anything to the traitors to God. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Jun 12, 2015 08:15 PM Subject: Re: Quran Audio On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study scripts the followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live humans and claim full credit for such cruelty in the afterlife? briefly (concentrate on science) If you concentrate on science there won't be much to say about Muslims. Although Muslims make up 23% of the world's population since 1900 only one Muslim has won a Nobel Prize in science, Ahmed Zewail won for chemistry in 1999. Abdus Salam won for physics in 1979 and his tombstone said First Muslim Nobel Laureate, but the Pakistani government officially decreed that Abdus Salam was NOT a Muslim and ordered that the word Muslim be erased from his tombstone. The same reason why people should study the sciences the followers (scientists / engineers / technicians / governments / military / businesses) of which experiment with, damage, kill live humans and animals, destroy ecosystems, etc. and claim full credit for being leaders of human civilisation! Science can explain how a H-bomb works but says nothing about how or if they should be used, that is a function of the empathy of the bomb builder and his fear of retaliation. Islam can not say one intelligent word about how a H-bomb works or even how a conventional chemical explosive works, but that doesn't prevent it from telling people exactly how they should be used. And Islam says you shouldn't have empathy for those who frequent a different religious franchise than your do, and it also says that you shouldn't fear death because if you do what Islam tells you to do then when you die you'll live forever in Santa Claus's workshop in the sky. So we have a combination of cruelty and stupidity, and that is a dangerous combination. . A person's concern for their own future should be reason enough to urgently explore the scriptures! I don't see how reading the fairy tales of illiterate bronze age
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The point of responding is that if a faith is indeed the word of god, it should have answers to all the major metaphysical and philosophical questions that might be asked of it. On 13 June 2015 at 16:01, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, I do not know if I should be responding to any of the posts on this thread as we seem to just keep repeating ourselves. I do not understand why those who have decided and declared themselves as atheists even bother to respond to my posts. I do however wish that those who consider themselves agnostics do read the scriptures. God willing, they might find the answers to the questions in their heart. A word of caution: The Quran itself recommends that every time one studies the Quran, to first pray for Allah's protection from the Devil who attempts to misguide those who seek guidance. Allah repeatedly offers forgiveness guidance throughout the Quran, and the text also explains why guidance is withheld from whom and why. May the scriptures enlighten us. Amen. Samiya On 13-Jun-2015, at 5:46 am, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Just to put my own dim consciousness into this arena, I did inquire of a young Pakistani, what he thought was the main motivation behind jihad. I asked if it was the great reward of being with Allah forever, and the women, etc. This guy corrected me and indicated, no it was not the great reward driving the jihad, but, rather, the eternal death in the grave, and the dual notion of gahannom (gehenim) in a fiery punishment for betraying Allah's eddicts. I over simplify on all this, but I believe also, that islamic teachings indicate, that they are Dar es Salaam, the House of Peace, and that we, the Qfar, or infidels, are the House of War, and that true peace is never to be offered to the Qfar, on a truce (hudna) can be offered. Thus, peace is never to be attained, as we understand it because those in the Uma, risk being burned up forever, by defiling Allah and themselves, with the uncleaness, of the Qfar or traitor, aka Infidel. So there is zero incentive for being peaceful (unless a temporary truce) with the infidel. Who wishes eternal damnation upon themselves, and their families and friends by angering Allah? There is then, no incentive to be offered that can rival the punishment and reward of Allah. Its a no brainer. It does put the frame of reverence of behaviors if one recognizes this feature of how the other fellows feel and think. By their belief system, they would consider themselves to be insane, and humiliated, by offering anything to the traitors to God. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Jun 12, 2015 08:15 PM Subject: Re: Quran Audio On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study scripts the followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live humans and claim full credit for such cruelty in the afterlife? briefly (concentrate on science) If you concentrate on science there won't be much to say about Muslims. Although Muslims make up 23% of the world's population since 1900 only one Muslim has won a Nobel Prize in science, Ahmed Zewail won for chemistry in 1999. Abdus Salam won for physics in 1979 and his tombstone said First Muslim Nobel Laureate, but the Pakistani government officially decreed that Abdus Salam was NOT a Muslim and ordered that the word Muslim be erased from his tombstone. The same reason why people should study the sciences the followers (scientists / engineers / technicians / governments / military / businesses) of which experiment with, damage, kill live humans and animals, destroy ecosystems, etc. and claim full credit for being leaders of human civilisation! Science can explain how a H-bomb works but says nothing about how or if they should be used, that is a function of the empathy of the bomb builder and his fear of retaliation. Islam can not say one intelligent word about how a H-bomb works or even how a conventional chemical explosive works, but that doesn't prevent it from telling people exactly how they should be used. And Islam says you shouldn't have empathy for those who frequent a different religious franchise than your do, and it also says that you shouldn't fear death because if you do what Islam tells you to do then when you die you'll live forever in Santa Claus's workshop in the sky. So we have a combination of cruelty and stupidity, and that is a dangerous combination. . A person's concern for their own future should be reason enough to urgently explore the scriptures! I don't see how reading the fairy tales of illiterate bronze age tribes will help, not even if your mommy and daddy said it will. John K Clark
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Dear All, I do not know if I should be responding to any of the posts on this thread as we seem to just keep repeating ourselves. I do not understand why those who have decided and declared themselves as atheists even bother to respond to my posts. I do however wish that those who consider themselves agnostics do read the scriptures. God willing, they might find the answers to the questions in their heart. A word of caution: The Quran itself recommends that every time one studies the Quran, to first pray for Allah's protection from the Devil who attempts to misguide those who seek guidance. Allah repeatedly offers forgiveness guidance throughout the Quran, and the text also explains why guidance is withheld from whom and why. May the scriptures enlighten us. Amen. Samiya On 13-Jun-2015, at 5:46 am, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Just to put my own dim consciousness into this arena, I did inquire of a young Pakistani, what he thought was the main motivation behind jihad. I asked if it was the great reward of being with Allah forever, and the women, etc. This guy corrected me and indicated, no it was not the great reward driving the jihad, but, rather, the eternal death in the grave, and the dual notion of gahannom (gehenim) in a fiery punishment for betraying Allah's eddicts. I over simplify on all this, but I believe also, that islamic teachings indicate, that they are Dar es Salaam, the House of Peace, and that we, the Qfar, or infidels, are the House of War, and that true peace is never to be offered to the Qfar, on a truce (hudna) can be offered. Thus, peace is never to be attained, as we understand it because those in the Uma, risk being burned up forever, by defiling Allah and themselves, with the uncleaness, of the Qfar or traitor, aka Infidel. So there is zero incentive for being peaceful (unless a temporary truce) with the infidel. Who wishes eternal damnation upon themselves, and their families and friends by angering Allah? There is then, no incentive to be offered that can rival the punishment and reward of Allah. Its a no brainer. It does put the frame of reverence of behaviors if one recognizes this feature of how the other fellows feel and think. By their belief system, they would consider themselves to be insane, and humiliated, by offering anything to the traitors to God. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Jun 12, 2015 08:15 PM Subject: Re: Quran Audio On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study scripts the followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live humans and claim full credit for such cruelty in the afterlife? briefly (concentrate on science) If you concentrate on science there won't be much to say about Muslims. Although Muslims make up 23% of the world's population since 1900 only one Muslim has won a Nobel Prize in science, Ahmed Zewail won for chemistry in 1999. Abdus Salam won for physics in 1979 and his tombstone said First Muslim Nobel Laureate, but the Pakistani government officially decreed that Abdus Salam was NOT a Muslim and ordered that the word Muslim be erased from his tombstone. The same reason why people should study the sciences the followers (scientists / engineers / technicians / governments / military / businesses) of which experiment with, damage, kill live humans and animals, destroy ecosystems, etc. and claim full credit for being leaders of human civilisation! Science can explain how a H-bomb works but says nothing about how or if they should be used, that is a function of the empathy of the bomb builder and his fear of retaliation. Islam can not say one intelligent word about how a H-bomb works or even how a conventional chemical explosive works, but that doesn't prevent it from telling people exactly how they should be used. And Islam says you shouldn't have empathy for those who frequent a different religious franchise than your do, and it also says that you shouldn't fear death because if you do what Islam tells you to do then when you die you'll live forever in Santa Claus's workshop in the sky. So we have a combination of cruelty and stupidity, and that is a dangerous combination. . A person's concern for their own future should be reason enough to urgently explore the scriptures! I don't see how reading the fairy tales of illiterate bronze age tribes will help, not even if your mommy and daddy said it will. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
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Just to put my own dim consciousness into this arena, I did inquire of a young Pakistani, what he thought was the main motivation behind jihad. I asked if it was the great reward of being with Allah forever, and the women, etc. This guy corrected me and indicated, no it was not the great reward driving the jihad, but, rather, the eternal death in the grave, and the dual notion of gahannom (gehenim) in a fiery punishment for betraying Allah's eddicts. I over simplify on all this, but I believe also, that islamic teachings indicate, that they are Dar es Salaam, the House of Peace, and that we, the Qfar, or infidels, are the House of War, and that true peace is never to be offered to the Qfar, on a truce (hudna) can be offered. Thus, peace is never to be attained, as we understand it because those in the Uma, risk being burned up forever, by defiling Allah and themselves, with the uncleaness, of the Qfar or traitor, aka Infidel. So there is zero incentive for being peaceful (unless a temporary truce) with the infidel. Who wishes eternal damnation upon themselves, and their families and friends by angering Allah? There is then, no incentive to be offered that can rival the punishment and reward of Allah. Its a no brainer. It does put the frame of reverence of behaviors if one recognizes this feature of how the other fellows feel and think. By their belief system, they would consider themselves to be insane, and humiliated, by offering anything to the traitors to God. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Jun 12, 2015 08:15 PM Subject: Re: Quran Audio div id=AOLMsgPart_2_749812e6-702c-47fa-8cd3-c7739f2c864a div dir=ltr div class=aolmail_gmail_extra div class=aolmail_gmail_quote On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 Samiya Illias span dir=ltra target=_blank href=mailto:samiyaill...@gmail.com;samiyaill...@gmail.com/a/span wrote: blockquote class=aolmail_gmail_quote style=margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex div dir=ltr div class=aolmail_gmail_extra div class=aolmail_gmail_quote span blockquote class=aolmail_gmail_quote style=margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex div dir=ltr div div to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study scripts the followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live humans and claim full credit for such cruelty in the afterlife? /div /div /blockquote /span briefly (concentrate on science) /div /div /div /blockquote If you concentrate on science there won't be much to say about Muslims. Although Muslims make up 23% of the world's population since 1900 only one Muslim has won a Nobel Prize in science, Ahmed Zewail won for chemistry in 1999. Abdus Salam won for physics in 1979 and his tombstone said First Muslim Nobel Laureate, but the Pakistani government officially decreed that Abdus Salam was NOT a Muslim and ordered that the word Muslim be erased from his tombstone. /div div class=aolmail_gmail_quote blockquote class=aolmail_gmail_quote style=margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex div dir=ltr div class=aolmail_gmail_extra div class=aolmail_gmail_quote The same reason why people should study the sciences the followers (scientists / engineers / technicians / governments / military / businesses) of which experiment with, damage, kill live humans and animals, destroy ecosystems, etc. and claim full credit for being leaders of human civilisation! /div /div /div /blockquote Science can explain how a H-bomb works but says nothing about how or if they should be used, that is a function of the empathy of the bomb builder and his fear of retaliation. Islam can not say one intelligent word about how a H-bomb works or even how a conventional chemical explosive works, but that doesn't prevent it from telling people exactly how they should be used. And Islam says you shouldn't have empathy for those who frequent a different religious franchise than your do, and it also says that you shouldn't fear death because if you do what Islam tells you to do then when you die you'll live forever in Santa Claus's workshop in the sky. So we have a combination of cruelty and stupidity, and that is a dangerous combination. . blockquote class=aolmail_gmail_quote style=margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex
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On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study scripts the followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live humans and claim full credit for such cruelty in the afterlife? briefly (concentrate on science) If you concentrate on science there won't be much to say about Muslims. Although Muslims make up 23% of the world's population since 1900 only one Muslim has won a Nobel Prize in science, Ahmed Zewail won for chemistry in 1999. Abdus Salam won for physics in 1979 and his tombstone said First Muslim Nobel Laureate, but the Pakistani government officially decreed that Abdus Salam was NOT a Muslim and ordered that the word Muslim be erased from his tombstone. The same reason why people should study the sciences the followers (scientists / engineers / technicians / governments / military / businesses) of which experiment with, damage, kill live humans and animals, destroy ecosystems, etc. and claim full credit for being leaders of human civilisation! Science can explain how a H-bomb works but says nothing about how or if they should be used, that is a function of the empathy of the bomb builder and his fear of retaliation. Islam can not say one intelligent word about how a H-bomb works or even how a conventional chemical explosive works, but that doesn't prevent it from telling people exactly how they should be used. And Islam says you shouldn't have empathy for those who frequent a different religious franchise than your do, and it also says that you shouldn't fear death because if you do what Islam tells you to do then when you die you'll live forever in Santa Claus's workshop in the sky. So we have a combination of cruelty and stupidity, and that is a dangerous combination. . A person's concern for their own future should be reason enough to urgently explore the scriptures! I don't see how reading the fairy tales of illiterate bronze age tribes will help, not even if your mommy and daddy said it will. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Muslims are certain that the only path to heaven is in following the teachings of Muhammad Allah's messenger, but Christians are certain that is the path to being tortured fiendishly by a loving God for an infinite (and not just astronomical) number of years. Christians are certain that the only path to heaven is to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ God's son, but Muslims are certain that is the path to being tortured fiendishly by a loving God for an infinite (and not just astronomical) number of years. The Baha'i faith maintains that all religions are equally valid and I think the Baha'i people have got it about right, they're all crap. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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If this John is me: to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study scripts the followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live humans and claim full credit for such cruelty in the afterlife? A reasonable person should run away from such inhumanity, especially after our centuries of enlightenment. Thanks for reflecting John M On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 11:22 PM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: John, I wonder if you were studying the scriptures / ideologies as well? I get the impression that you were studying the human condition: the results of (mis)interpretations and (mis)applications of religions / ideologies and naturally being revolted by it! Throughout history, humans have pursued wealth, power, pleasures: desires which within moral limits are permissible and constructive for the evolution of society, yet humans have mostly transgressed all bounds and have caused much suffering. What humans don't seem to understand is that their actions are essentially self-destructive. According to my study of the scriptures, time and again, whenever human civilisations advanced to the point of self-destruction, the Most Compassionate, True God has intervened, first by sending His Messengers and His Scriptures to warn humans about their self-destructive actions, and then saving humanity by wiping out those criminals who were bent upon destroying the world. If, for a while, you can suspend the notion that we are the most advanced that humans have ever been, and the notion that God is a terrible, heartless person that people imagine; perhaps a (re)read of the scriptures will help you realise that God is indeed the Most Kind and Most Loving, and enable you to appreciate His Commandments as those which guide humans to protect themselves from harm, lead to better their condition and enable them to build a beautiful future! Our world is also advancing towards self-destruction, all in the name of progress, and we are setting humanity up for much harm and suffering. I believe that since the last Messenger (Mohammad) and the last Scripture (Quran) have arrived, now the time for humanity 'brief stay' on Earth is coming towards its end. People of many faiths, including Muslims, are awaiting the arrival of the Anti-Christ / Beast. It is stated in the Quran: And when (is) fulfilled the word against them, We will bring forth for them a creature from the earth speaking to them, that the people were, of Our Signs, not certain. [http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/27/82/ ] However, as each one of us is in pledge for our own beliefs and deeds, so there is still hope for salvation and eternal bliss! God promises to help and guide those who WILL faith and submit to God's guidance. Samiya On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:12 AM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Samiya: I was learning about Communism (30s and 50s) and I disliked it because of unjust cruelty against certain people. (Rakosi, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc.) I was learning about Nazism (40s) and I dislliked it because of unjust cruelty against certain people. (Hitler, Skin-Heads, Szalasi, etc.) I am learning about Islam (10s) and I dislike it because of unjust cruelty against certain people. (IS and Saudi beheadings, etc.) In my studies I also learned about Catholicism and I disliked it becuase the unjust (dogmatic?) cruelty against certain people in the Inquisition etc. I learned about Judaism and disliked it because unjust cruelty against women. It also invoked the cruelty of anti-semites against themselves. I did not learn enough about Hinduism and Buddhism to dislike them, too. I dislike the new slaverism (=capitalism) and new feudalism (= global misunderstanding of what may be a democracy). JM On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose you can call it that :) People on this list have different assumptions, prejudices, misgivings, queries and (dis)interest level in Islam and the practice of Muslims. Just presenting the original document for any who might want to check for themselves. Actually I was a bit hesitant sharing but then I thought that some will object anyway. Samiya On 09-Jun-2015, at 6:56 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Doing Dawa? Interesting. -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2015 10:09 pm Subject: Quran Audio A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus Translation for anyone interested in listening to he Quran: http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/ Samiya -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email
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On 12 Jun 2015, at 2:34 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i faith maintains that all religions are equally valid and I think the Baha'i people have got it about right, they're all crap. John K Clark The difference between the three Abrahamic religions (according to Bill Maher): Christianity = mumbling to the ceiling Judaism = mumbling to the wall Islam = mumbling to the floor Kim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On 12 June 2015 at 04:34, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i faith maintains that all religions are equally valid and I think the Baha'i people have got it about right, they're all crap. My sister in law is a Baha'i and they certainly don't think they're all crap - their attitude is more that all religions see some aspects of the truth (Just for the record. I realist your comment was probably intended to be tongue in cheek.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On 12 June 2015 at 10:23, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 12 Jun 2015, at 2:34 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i faith maintains that all religions are equally valid and I think the Baha'i people have got it about right, they're all crap. John K Clark The difference between the three Abrahamic religions (according to Bill Maher): Christianity = mumbling to the ceiling Judaism = mumbling to the wall Islam = mumbling to the floor I tend to mumble to myself. (Maybe I can start a new religion? Or is this just Solipsism? Is Solipsism a religion? A very exclusive religion - even more exclusive than Judism?!) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On 12 June 2015 at 15:17, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com mailto:samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:44 AM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com mailto:jami...@gmail.com wrote: If this John is me: to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study scripts the followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live humans and claim full credit for such cruelty in the afterlife? briefly (concentrate on science) The same reason why people should study the sciences the followers (scientists / engineers / technicians / governments / military / businesses) of which experiment with, damage, kill live humans and animals, destroy ecosystems, etc. and claim full credit for being leaders of human civilisation! A reasonable person should run away from such inhumanity, especially after our centuries of enlightenment. 'our centuries of enlightenment'? really? creating deadly weapons of mass destruction and using them, poisoning the planet and creating imbalance in the ecosystem, rendering entire species extinct, toying with the weather, ... enlightenment??? and where can we run away from it all? except in trying to find meaning in this suffering and trial? We can't. We must solve the problems where they are. But remember that those deadly weapons of mass destruction have only been used once, and with reasonable justification to end mass destruction without the aid of such weapons. And the imbalances in the ecosystem and species extinction are consequences of having more people with more material security, more freedom and better healthcare. Your co-religionists do not propose to solve or even address these problems. Their attention is on theological and territorial squabbles, and superstitious eschatologies. A person's concern for their own future should be reason enough to urgently explore the scriptures! No, it's a reason to get rid of scriptures and pay attention to people and the world. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On 12 Jun 2015, at 9:31 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: The difference between the three Abrahamic religions (according to Bill Maher): Christianity = mumbling to the ceiling Judaism = mumbling to the wall Islam = mumbling to the floor I tend to mumble to myself. (Maybe I can start a new religion? Or is this just Solipsism? Is Solipsism a religion? A very exclusive religion - even more exclusive than Judism?!) This is precisely what Neale Donald Walsch did (Conversations with God and associated website etc.) Well, he didn't so much start a religion as try to straighten peoples' heads out about religion generally. He did this by assuming that the 'voice within' is God. We are therefore all of us God. Every conversation you have with yourself is a conversation with God. So, God is the Great Lapsed Solipsist who needs up to 7 billion differing human perspectives to get a feel for himself. Every solipsist is a tile in a gigantic mosaic consisting of other solipsists. The net result of all these parallel inputs is presumably what God is plugged into. Solipsism the philosophical stance is not a philosophy at all because if real, it cannot be argued with. Solipsism is probably nothing more than the perception of that truth. If I can call myself a solipsist and find evidence for that then solipsism must be real and that settles it then. There is only one mind. A solipsistic person would be one who merely asserts a simple truth. I tend to think that solipsism is the opposite extreme to fascism. A personality type, therefore. N'est-ce pas? K -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I wouldn't go to Maher for insight anymore then I would go to him for humor. Let the bastard start writing his own jokes again, for once. Solipsism interests me, because we need to know who is thinking the Great Thought, and start asking for changes. If it is a Boltzmann Brain, then again we are back to religion. :-( div Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2015 07:31 PM Subject: Re: Quran Audio div id=AOLMsgPart_2_575aa270-83f6-4cbf-bd6a-c5dd534e2e3d div dir=ltr div class=aolmail_gmail_extra div class=aolmail_gmail_quote On 12 June 2015 at 10:23, Kim Jones span dir=ltra target=_blank href=mailto:kimjo...@ozemail.com.au;kimjo...@ozemail.com.au/a/span wrote: blockquote class=aolmail_gmail_quote style=margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex div dir=auto span div div On 12 Jun 2015, at 2:34 am, John Clark a target=_blank href=mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com;johnkcl...@gmail.com/a wrote: /div blockquote div dir=ltr div class=aolmail_gmail_extra The Baha'i faith maintains that all religions are equally valid and I think the Baha'i people have got it about right, they're all crap. /div div class=aolmail_gmail_extra /div div class=aolmail_gmail_extra John K Clark /div /div p/p /blockquote The difference between the three Abrahamic religions (according to Bill Maher): /span Christianity = mumbling to the ceiling Judaism = mumbling to the wall Islam = mumbling to the floor span class=aolmail_HOEnZbfont color=#88 /font/span /div /blockquote I tend to mumble to myself. (Maybe I can start a new religion? Or is this just Solipsism? Is Solipsism a religion? A very exclusive religion - even more exclusive than Judism?!) /div /div /div p/p -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to a target=_blank href=mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com;everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com/a. To post to this group, send email to a target=_blank href=mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com;everything-list@googlegroups.com/a. Visit this group at a target=_blank href=http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list;http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list/a. For more options, visit a target=_blank href=https://groups.google.com/d/optout;https://groups.google.com/d/optout/a. /div /div/div -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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for themselves. Actually I was a bit hesitant sharing but then I thought that some will object anyway. Samiya On 09-Jun-2015, at 6:56 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Doing Dawa? Interesting. -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2015 10:09 pm Subject: Quran Audio A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus Translation for anyone interested in listening to he Quran: http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/ Samiya -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On 12 June 2015 at 15:17, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:44 AM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: If this John is me: to keep my reply short (concentrate on Islam) Why should I study scripts the followers of which behead, flog, stone, dismember live humans and claim full credit for such cruelty in the afterlife? briefly (concentrate on science) The same reason why people should study the sciences the followers (scientists / engineers / technicians / governments / military / businesses) of which experiment with, damage, kill live humans and animals, destroy ecosystems, etc. and claim full credit for being leaders of human civilisation! A reasonable person should run away from such inhumanity, especially after our centuries of enlightenment. 'our centuries of enlightenment'? really? creating deadly weapons of mass destruction and using them, poisoning the planet and creating imbalance in the ecosystem, rendering entire species extinct, toying with the weather, ... enlightenment??? and where can we run away from it all? except in trying to find meaning in this suffering and trial? A person's concern for their own future should be reason enough to urgently explore the scriptures! Two very good answers, even if I happen to disagree with them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I do not know if God is helping us. I do suspect that the only thing that we can ask God for strength, one can receive a boost of sorts. BB's are so fantastical that this seems to be unreal, though a serious conjecture. The true God phrase reminds me of the battle between immigrant Irish and local native protestant locals that were depicted in the movie. Gangs of New York. In the film, curses were shouted as well as challenges. One of these was, Come meet the true God! You can see the same thing today with the conflict in Iraq, Syria, Saudi and Pakistan, between Sunni and Shia. Humbleness is always a nice aspect for people, but then so does musical talent. Welcome, but not essential. Monotheist doesn't always mean wise or kind, and Polytheist doesn't always mean crazy, of stupid, or even more bloodthirsty. It all depends on behavior.As far a God or no God, if there is a physical means for an afterlife, and that afterlife is good, then we may have the answer to 75 percent of human problems. -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2015 12:19 am Subject: Re: Quran Audio On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 6:50 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Yes I see. For me, it's a struggle to get the real world to conform, nicely, to religious texts My experience of such texts and of life is that there is a divergence between the world we inhabit and what the old guys of the past wrote. As far as i am concerned, human beings (as horribly flawed as we are) come first, because we are weak, we are foolish, we are unreasonable, we are unintelligent, and rage full. I have seen the deeply religious of this world and they are quite good at hiding their flaws to the world, out of not only fear of the almighty, but out or bringing shame, brought to themselves and their group. We are the one's that require help, not God, yet, for inscrutable reasons He decline help. According to my understanding, God is continuously offering to help, while most of us stubbornly decline help. God will not impose faith and good deeds on us, we have to WILL faith and choose to be guided to the right course of action. This indicates that this big mind, will not, or cannot involve himself, again, inscrutable. Rather than beat up Mr. God, I would say we adjust our views religiously. If you want to study a physics speculation as delirious as any mad, religion, I would direct you to the Boltzmann Brains, named after 19th century thermodynamist, Ludwig Boltzmann. Fear not, Boltzmann was not a Yahhoodi, but a German, german. Why would I fear a ' Yahhoodi'? Jews are monotheists like Muslims, and the Quran is full of examples from Jewish history, to remind them that this is a continuation of the same message, and to guide us, lest we make the same errors that they did. Moreover, the Quran also speaks highly of the Jews who truly believe. I suppose the same is true for Muslims and people of other religions. God knows the hearts of all, and is best able to appreciate. Anyway, he postulated that the cosmos needed an 'Observer' of some kind to operate. Moreover, that the observer(s) could be intelligent, and non-human, and having its own false memories of life, and also hyper-intelligent. Back in 2007, Lenny Susskind (yahoodi) came up with a paper called, The Census Taker's Hat, which revisited Boltzmann's thermodynamics, and more or less supported these contentions. Interesting. I'll try to look it up later today. Assuming that such things as boltzmann brains exist (some doubt) some have seen BB's as potentially, Jinn's, or Angels, or even God. Interesting speculation, and I ask, how does knowing this help us poor little humans? Ah! I suppose it helps us realise that there is much, much more to the larger picture than we humans can perceive, and thus we do need to seek guidance intelligently. Its humbling, and humbling before the One True God liberates us from humbling before all others. That is, I think, the most crucial role of the scriptures! Samiya For more madness- https://plus.maths.org/content/dreaming-dream -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Jun 9, 2015 10:40 am Subject: Re: Quran Audio I suppose you can call it that :) People on this list have different assumptions, prejudices
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Yes I see. For me, it's a struggle to get the real world to conform, nicely, to religious texts My experience of such texts and of life is that there is a divergence between the world we inhabit and what the old guys of the past wrote. As far as i am concerned, human beings (as horribly flawed as we are) come first, because we are weak, we are foolish, we are unreasonable, we are unintelligent, and rage full. I have seen the deeply religious of this world and they are quite good at hiding their flaws to the world, out of not only fear of the almighty, but out or bringing shame, brought to themselves and their group. We are the one's that require help, not God, yet, for inscrutable reasons He decline help. This indicates that this big mind, will not, or cannot involve himself, again, inscrutable. Rather than beat up Mr. God, I would say we adjust our views religiously. If you want to study a physics speculation as delirious as any mad, religion, I would direct you to the Boltzmann Brains, named after 19th century thermodynamist, Ludwig Boltzmann. Fear not, Boltzmann was not a Yahhoodi, but a German, german. Anyway, he postulated that the cosmos needed an 'Observer' of some kind to operate. Moreover, that the observer(s) could be intelligent, and non-human, and having its own false memories of life, and also hyper-intelligent. Back in 2007, Lenny Susskind (yahoodi) came up with a paper called, The Census Taker's Hat, which revisited Boltzmann's thermodynamics, and more or less supported these contentions. Assuming that such things as boltzmann brains exist (some doubt) some have seen BB's as potentially, Jinn's, or Angels, or even God. Interesting speculation, and I ask, how does knowing this help us poor little humans? Ah! For more madness- https://plus.maths.org/content/dreaming-dream -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Jun 9, 2015 10:40 am Subject: Re: Quran Audio I suppose you can call it that :) People on this list have different assumptions, prejudices, misgivings, queries and (dis)interest level in Islam and the practice of Muslims. Just presenting the original document for any who might want to check for themselves. Actually I was a bit hesitant sharing but then I thought that some will object anyway. Samiya On 09-Jun-2015, at 6:56 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Doing Dawa? Interesting. -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2015 10:09 pm Subject: Quran Audio A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus Translation for anyone interested in listening to he Quran: http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/ Samiya -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email toeverything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email toeverything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Samiya: I was learning about Communism (30s and 50s) and I disliked it because of unjust cruelty against certain people. (Rakosi, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc.) I was learning about Nazism (40s) and I dislliked it because of unjust cruelty against certain people. (Hitler, Skin-Heads, Szalasi, etc.) I am learning about Islam (10s) and I dislike it because of unjust cruelty against certain people. (IS and Saudi beheadings, etc.) In my studies I also learned about Catholicism and I disliked it becuase the unjust (dogmatic?) cruelty against certain people in the Inquisition etc. I learned about Judaism and disliked it because unjust cruelty against women. It also invoked the cruelty of anti-semites against themselves. I did not learn enough about Hinduism and Buddhism to dislike them, too. I dislike the new slaverism (=capitalism) and new feudalism (= global misunderstanding of what may be a democracy). JM On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose you can call it that :) People on this list have different assumptions, prejudices, misgivings, queries and (dis)interest level in Islam and the practice of Muslims. Just presenting the original document for any who might want to check for themselves. Actually I was a bit hesitant sharing but then I thought that some will object anyway. Samiya On 09-Jun-2015, at 6:56 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Doing Dawa? Interesting. -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2015 10:09 pm Subject: Quran Audio A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus Translation for anyone interested in listening to he Quran: http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/ Samiya -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 6:50 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Yes I see. For me, it's a struggle to get the real world to conform, nicely, to religious texts My experience of such texts and of life is that there is a divergence between the world we inhabit and what the old guys of the past wrote. As far as i am concerned, human beings (as horribly flawed as we are) come first, because we are weak, we are foolish, we are unreasonable, we are unintelligent, and rage full. I have seen the deeply religious of this world and they are quite good at hiding their flaws to the world, out of not only fear of the almighty, but out or bringing shame, brought to themselves and their group. We are the one's that require help, not God, yet, for inscrutable reasons He decline help. According to my understanding, God is continuously offering to help, while most of us stubbornly decline help. God will not impose faith and good deeds on us, we have to WILL faith and choose to be guided to the right course of action. This indicates that this big mind, will not, or cannot involve himself, again, inscrutable. Rather than beat up Mr. God, I would say we adjust our views religiously. If you want to study a physics speculation as delirious as any mad, religion, I would direct you to the Boltzmann Brains, named after 19th century thermodynamist, Ludwig Boltzmann. Fear not, Boltzmann was not a Yahhoodi, but a German, german. Why would I fear a 'Yahhoodi'? Jews are monotheists like Muslims, and the Quran is full of examples from Jewish history, to remind them that this is a continuation of the same message, and to guide us, lest we make the same errors that they did. Moreover, the Quran also speaks highly of the Jews who truly believe. I suppose the same is true for Muslims and people of other religions. God knows the hearts of all, and is best able to appreciate. Anyway, he postulated that the cosmos needed an 'Observer' of some kind to operate. Moreover, that the observer(s) could be intelligent, and non-human, and having its own false memories of life, and also hyper-intelligent. Back in 2007, Lenny Susskind (yahoodi) came up with a paper called, The Census Taker's Hat, which revisited Boltzmann's thermodynamics, and more or less supported these contentions. Interesting. I'll try to look it up later today. Assuming that such things as boltzmann brains exist (some doubt) some have seen BB's as potentially, Jinn's, or Angels, or even God. Interesting speculation, and I ask, how does knowing this help us poor little humans? Ah! I suppose it helps us realise that there is much, much more to the larger picture than we humans can perceive, and thus we do need to seek guidance intelligently. Its humbling, and humbling before the One True God liberates us from humbling before all others. That is, I think, the most crucial role of the scriptures! Samiya For more madness- https://plus.maths.org/content/dreaming-dream -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Jun 9, 2015 10:40 am Subject: Re: Quran Audio I suppose you can call it that :) People on this list have different assumptions, prejudices, misgivings, queries and (dis)interest level in Islam and the practice of Muslims. Just presenting the original document for any who might want to check for themselves. Actually I was a bit hesitant sharing but then I thought that some will object anyway. Samiya On 09-Jun-2015, at 6:56 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Doing Dawa? Interesting. -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2015 10:09 pm Subject: Quran Audio A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus Translation for anyone interested in listening to he Quran: http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/ Samiya -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because
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John, I wonder if you were studying the scriptures / ideologies as well? I get the impression that you were studying the human condition: the results of (mis)interpretations and (mis)applications of religions / ideologies and naturally being revolted by it! Throughout history, humans have pursued wealth, power, pleasures: desires which within moral limits are permissible and constructive for the evolution of society, yet humans have mostly transgressed all bounds and have caused much suffering. What humans don't seem to understand is that their actions are essentially self-destructive. According to my study of the scriptures, time and again, whenever human civilisations advanced to the point of self-destruction, the Most Compassionate, True God has intervened, first by sending His Messengers and His Scriptures to warn humans about their self-destructive actions, and then saving humanity by wiping out those criminals who were bent upon destroying the world. If, for a while, you can suspend the notion that we are the most advanced that humans have ever been, and the notion that God is a terrible, heartless person that people imagine; perhaps a (re)read of the scriptures will help you realise that God is indeed the Most Kind and Most Loving, and enable you to appreciate His Commandments as those which guide humans to protect themselves from harm, lead to better their condition and enable them to build a beautiful future! Our world is also advancing towards self-destruction, all in the name of progress, and we are setting humanity up for much harm and suffering. I believe that since the last Messenger (Mohammad) and the last Scripture (Quran) have arrived, now the time for humanity 'brief stay' on Earth is coming towards its end. People of many faiths, including Muslims, are awaiting the arrival of the Anti-Christ / Beast. It is stated in the Quran: And when (is) fulfilled the word against them, We will bring forth for them a creature from the earth speaking to them, that the people were, of Our Signs, not certain. [http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/27/82/ ] However, as each one of us is in pledge for our own beliefs and deeds, so there is still hope for salvation and eternal bliss! God promises to help and guide those who WILL faith and submit to God's guidance. Samiya On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:12 AM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Samiya: I was learning about Communism (30s and 50s) and I disliked it because of unjust cruelty against certain people. (Rakosi, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc.) I was learning about Nazism (40s) and I dislliked it because of unjust cruelty against certain people. (Hitler, Skin-Heads, Szalasi, etc.) I am learning about Islam (10s) and I dislike it because of unjust cruelty against certain people. (IS and Saudi beheadings, etc.) In my studies I also learned about Catholicism and I disliked it becuase the unjust (dogmatic?) cruelty against certain people in the Inquisition etc. I learned about Judaism and disliked it because unjust cruelty against women. It also invoked the cruelty of anti-semites against themselves. I did not learn enough about Hinduism and Buddhism to dislike them, too. I dislike the new slaverism (=capitalism) and new feudalism (= global misunderstanding of what may be a democracy). JM On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose you can call it that :) People on this list have different assumptions, prejudices, misgivings, queries and (dis)interest level in Islam and the practice of Muslims. Just presenting the original document for any who might want to check for themselves. Actually I was a bit hesitant sharing but then I thought that some will object anyway. Samiya On 09-Jun-2015, at 6:56 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Doing Dawa? Interesting. -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2015 10:09 pm Subject: Quran Audio A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus Translation for anyone interested in listening to he Quran: http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/ Samiya -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com
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On 9 Jun 2015, at 12:09 pm, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus Translation for anyone interested in listening to he Quran: http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/ Samiya YOU WISH Kim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I suppose you can call it that :) People on this list have different assumptions, prejudices, misgivings, queries and (dis)interest level in Islam and the practice of Muslims. Just presenting the original document for any who might want to check for themselves. Actually I was a bit hesitant sharing but then I thought that some will object anyway. Samiya On 09-Jun-2015, at 6:56 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Doing Dawa? Interesting. -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2015 10:09 pm Subject: Quran Audio A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus Translation for anyone interested in listening to he Quran: http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/ Samiya -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Doing Dawa? Interesting. -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2015 10:09 pm Subject: Quran Audio A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus Translation for anyone interested in listening to he Quran: http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/ Samiya -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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A good resource for listening to Quran Recitation in Arabic plus Translation for anyone interested in listening to he Quran: http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/ Samiya -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
