Re: Re: cognitive therapy
Hi Telmo Menezes Burns' therapy is called cognitive therapy. I use it all of the time. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-13, 12:59:38 Subject: Re: cognitive therapy The attachments of the original message is as following: (1). CBT-distortions.pdf On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Jan 2013, at 13:35, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Personally I have found that reading the Bible a little and knowing some scripture verse, helps. Why not? But Chuang-tseu, Lie-tseu, Lao-Tseu, Alan Watts, and even the Baghavad Gita (a rather crazy text from the conventional spiritual pov), and many texts can help. I have a friend who keeps recommending the Bhagavad Gita. Alan Watts is great, always makes me feel better. An interesting book written by a cognitive therapist is Feeling Good: the New Mood Therapy by David D. Burns, M.D. There is one study where reading this book had the same effectiveness as conventional anti-depressants (both above placebo). I'm attaching a pdf based on this work that I refer to from time to time. ? But such text should never been taken literally. Only for inspiration. Unless they contain reasoning, like in the question to king Milinda (one of my favorite spiritual text). I believe (as did Luther) that the actual words are semi-physical and paste themselves in our memories or subconsciousness and work on us like cognitive therapy: Hebrews 4:12 12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Luther suffered from time with depression, and found words and cognitive therapy very helpful. It can be. A lot of plants can help too. Yup :) ? Unfortunately, by tolerating prohibition, we assist to an unfair competition between nature and artifice, and we have made the state into a drug dealer. In the human science we are below being nowhere. We do money from diseases, crisis, catastrophes. There is something wrong, and I think it has been facilitated by a tradition of artificial lack of rigor in the human sciences Why do you think that the lack of rigor in human sciences is artificial? ? , and in the fundamental sciences. Bruno [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-12, 07:05:18 Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God On 12 Jan 2013, at 11:56, Roger Clough wrote: The only tenet to faith is trust in God. Period. Yes. That is even why we should never try to convince some others about God. We can only trust that God will do that, at the best moment. We can teach by example, but not with words, still less with normative moral, I think. Hell is really paved with good intentions. God might be the good, but the Devil is the good. Bruno [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-11, 15:47:58 Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God On 1/11/2013 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: What are its tenets that you believe on faith? That there is something different from me. But you have evidence for that - if you can figure out what is meant by me. I think you need faith to make data into evidence. That would vitiate the concept of evidence. I'd say you only need a theory to make data into evidence which can count for or against the theory. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr
Re: Re: cognitive therapy
Hi Roger, Me too - well maybe not as often as I should. I hope it's helping you! On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes Burns' therapy is called cognitive therapy. I use it all of the time. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-13, 12:59:38 Subject: Re: cognitive therapy The attachments of the original message is as following: (1). CBT-distortions.pdf On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Jan 2013, at 13:35, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Personally I have found that reading the Bible a little and knowing some scripture verse, helps. Why not? But Chuang-tseu, Lie-tseu, Lao-Tseu, Alan Watts, and even the Baghavad Gita (a rather crazy text from the conventional spiritual pov), and many texts can help. I have a friend who keeps recommending the Bhagavad Gita. Alan Watts is great, always makes me feel better. An interesting book written by a cognitive therapist is Feeling Good: the New Mood Therapy by David D. Burns, M.D. There is one study where reading this book had the same effectiveness as conventional anti-depressants (both above placebo). I'm attaching a pdf based on this work that I refer to from time to time. ? But such text should never been taken literally. Only for inspiration. Unless they contain reasoning, like in the question to king Milinda (one of my favorite spiritual text). I believe (as did Luther) that the actual words are semi-physical and paste themselves in our memories or subconsciousness and work on us like cognitive therapy: Hebrews 4:12 12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Luther suffered from time with depression, and found words and cognitive therapy very helpful. It can be. A lot of plants can help too. Yup :) ? Unfortunately, by tolerating prohibition, we assist to an unfair competition between nature and artifice, and we have made the state into a drug dealer. In the human science we are below being nowhere. We do money from diseases, crisis, catastrophes. There is something wrong, and I think it has been facilitated by a tradition of artificial lack of rigor in the human sciences Why do you think that the lack of rigor in human sciences is artificial? ? , and in the fundamental sciences. Bruno [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-12, 07:05:18 Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God On 12 Jan 2013, at 11:56, Roger Clough wrote: The only tenet to faith is trust in God. Period. Yes. That is even why we should never try to convince some others about God. We can only trust that God will do that, at the best moment. We can teach by example, but not with words, still less with normative moral, I think. Hell is really paved with good intentions. God might be the good, but the Devil is the good. Bruno [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-11, 15:47:58 Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God On 1/11/2013 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: What are its tenets that you believe on faith? That there is something different from me. But you have evidence for that - if you can figure out what is meant by me. I think you need faith to make data into evidence. That would vitiate the concept of evidence. I'd say you only need a theory to make data into evidence which can count for or against the theory. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post
Re: Re: Re: cognitive therapy
Hi Telmo Menezes Same here. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-14, 07:42:02 Subject: Re: Re: cognitive therapy Hi Roger, Me too - well maybe not as often as I should. I hope it's helping you! On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes Burns' therapy is called cognitive therapy. ? use it all of the time. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/14/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-13, 12:59:38 Subject: Re: cognitive therapy The attachments of the original message is as following: ? (1). CBT-distortions.pdf On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Bruno Marchal ?rote: On 12 Jan 2013, at 13:35, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Personally I have found that reading the Bible a little and knowing some scripture verse, helps. Why not? But Chuang-tseu, Lie-tseu, Lao-Tseu, Alan Watts, and even the Baghavad Gita (a rather crazy text from the conventional spiritual pov), and many texts can help. I have a friend who keeps recommending the Bhagavad Gita. Alan Watts is great, always makes me feel better. An interesting book written by a cognitive therapist is Feeling Good: the New Mood Therapy by David D. Burns, M.D. There is one study where reading this book had the same effectiveness as conventional anti-depressants (both above placebo). I'm attaching a pdf based on this work that I refer to from time to time. ? But such text should never been taken literally. Only for inspiration. Unless they contain reasoning, like in the question to king Milinda (one of my favorite spiritual text). I believe (as did Luther) that the actual words are semi-physical and paste themselves in our memories or subconsciousness and work on us like cognitive therapy: Hebrews 4:12 12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Luther suffered from time with depression, and found words and cognitive therapy very helpful. It can be. A lot of plants can help too. Yup :) ? Unfortunately, by tolerating prohibition, we assist to an unfair competition between nature and artifice, and we have made the state into a drug dealer. In the human science we are below being nowhere. We do money from diseases, crisis, catastrophes. There is something wrong, and I think it has been facilitated by a tradition of artificial lack of rigor in the human sciences Why do you think that the lack of rigor in human sciences is artificial? ? , and in the fundamental sciences. Bruno [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-12, 07:05:18 Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God On 12 Jan 2013, at 11:56, Roger Clough wrote: The only tenet to faith is trust in God. Period. Yes. That is even why we should never try to convince some others about God. We can only trust that God will do that, at the best moment. We can teach by example, but not with words, still less with normative moral, I think. Hell is really paved with good intentions. God might be the good, but the Devil is the good. Bruno [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-11, 15:47:58 Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God On 1/11/2013 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: What are its tenets that you believe on faith? That there is something different from me. But you have evidence for that - if you can figure out what is meant by me. I think you need faith to make data into evidence. That would vitiate the concept of evidence. I'd say you only need a theory to make data into evidence which can count for or against the theory. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com
Re: cognitive therapy
On 12 Jan 2013, at 13:35, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Personally I have found that reading the Bible a little and knowing some scripture verse, helps. Why not? But Chuang-tseu, Lie-tseu, Lao-Tseu, Alan Watts, and even the Baghavad Gita (a rather crazy text from the conventional spiritual pov), and many texts can help. But such text should never been taken literally. Only for inspiration. Unless they contain reasoning, like in the question to king Milinda (one of my favorite spiritual text). I believe (as did Luther) that the actual words are semi-physical and paste themselves in our memories or subconsciousness and work on us like cognitive therapy: Hebrews 4:12 12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double- edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Luther suffered from time with depression, and found words and cognitive therapy very helpful. It can be. A lot of plants can help too. Unfortunately, by tolerating prohibition, we assist to an unfair competition between nature and artifice, and we have made the state into a drug dealer. In the human science we are below being nowhere. We do money from diseases, crisis, catastrophes. There is something wrong, and I think it has been facilitated by a tradition of artificial lack of rigor in the human sciences, and in the fundamental sciences. Bruno [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-12, 07:05:18 Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God On 12 Jan 2013, at 11:56, Roger Clough wrote: The only tenet to faith is trust in God. Period. Yes. That is even why we should never try to convince some others about God. We can only trust that God will do that, at the best moment. We can teach by example, but not with words, still less with normative moral, I think. Hell is really paved with good intentions. God might be the good, but the Devil is the good. Bruno [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/12/2013 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-11, 15:47:58 Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God On 1/11/2013 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: What are its tenets that you believe on faith? That there is something different from me. But you have evidence for that - if you can figure out what is meant by me. I think you need faith to make data into evidence. That would vitiate the concept of evidence. I'd say you only need a theory to make data into evidence which can count for or against the theory. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything- l...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en . http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
