Hi Telmo Menezes  

Same here. 


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Hi Roger, 


Me too - well maybe not as often as I should. I hope it's helping you! 



On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Roger Clough  wrote: 

Hi Telmo Menezes 

Burns' therapy is called "cognitive therapy". ? use it all of the time. 



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The attachments of the original message is as following: 
? (1). CBT-distortions.pdf 








On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Bruno Marchal ?rote: 


On 12 Jan 2013, at 13:35, Roger Clough wrote: 


Hi Bruno Marchal 

Personally I have found that reading the Bible a little 
and knowing some scripture verse, helps. 


Why not? 

But Chuang-tseu, Lie-tseu, Lao-Tseu, Alan Watts, and even the Baghavad Gita (a 
rather crazy text from the conventional spiritual pov), and many texts can 
help. 



I have a friend who keeps recommending the Bhagavad Gita. Alan Watts is great, 
always makes me feel better. 


An interesting book written by a cognitive therapist is "Feeling Good: the New 
Mood Therapy" by David D. Burns, M.D. There is one study where reading this 
book had the same effectiveness as conventional anti-depressants (both above 
placebo). I'm attaching a pdf based on this work that I refer to from time to 
time. 

? 


But such text should never been taken literally. Only for inspiration. Unless 
they contain reasoning, like in "the question to king Milinda" (one of my 
favorite spiritual text). 




I believe (as did Luther) that the actual words are semi-physical 
and paste themselves in our memories or subconsciousness 
and work on us like cognitive therapy: 

Hebrews 4:12 

"12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged 
sword, 
it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges 
the 
thoughts and attitudes of the heart. " 

Luther suffered from time with depression, and found words 
and cognitive therapy very helpful. 


It can be. A lot of plants can help too. 


Yup :) 

? 

Unfortunately, by tolerating prohibition, we assist to an unfair competition 
between nature and artifice, and we have made the state into a drug dealer. In 
the human science we are below being nowhere. We do money from diseases, 
crisis, catastrophes. There is something wrong, and I think it has been 
facilitated by a tradition of artificial lack of rigor in the human sciences 


Why do you think that the lack of rigor in human sciences is artificial? 

? 

, and in the fundamental sciences. 

Bruno 







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On 12 Jan 2013, at 11:56, Roger Clough wrote: 



The only tenet to faith is trust in God. Period. 


Yes. 

That is even why we should never try to convince some others about 
God. We can only trust that God will do that, at the best moment. We 
can teach by example, but not with words, still less with normative 
moral, I think. Hell is really paved with good intentions. God might 
be the good, but the Devil is the "good". 

Bruno 






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On 1/11/2013 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: 
What are its tenets that you believe on faith? 


That there is something different from me. 


But you have evidence for that - if you can figure out what is meant 
by "me". 


I think you need faith to make data into evidence. 

That would vitiate the concept of evidence. I'd say you only need a 
theory to make data into evidence which can count for or against the 
theory. 

Brent 

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