Hi Roger,

Me too - well maybe not as often as I should. I hope it's helping you!


On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:

> Hi Telmo Menezes
>
> Burns' therapy is called "cognitive therapy".  I use it all of the time.
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> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
> 1/14/2013
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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> Time: 2013-01-13, 12:59:38
> Subject: Re: cognitive therapy
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> The attachments of the original message is as following:
>   (1). CBT-distortions.pdf
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> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Bruno Marchal  wrote:
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> On 12 Jan 2013, at 13:35, Roger Clough wrote:
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> Hi Bruno Marchal
>
> Personally I have found that reading the Bible a little
> and knowing some scripture verse, helps.
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>
> Why not?
>
> But Chuang-tseu, Lie-tseu, Lao-Tseu, Alan Watts, and even the Baghavad
> Gita (a rather crazy text from the conventional spiritual pov), and many
> texts can help.
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> I have a friend who keeps recommending the Bhagavad Gita. Alan Watts is
> great, always makes me feel better.
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> An interesting book written by a cognitive therapist is "Feeling Good: the
> New Mood Therapy" by David D. Burns, M.D. There is one study where reading
> this book had the same effectiveness as conventional anti-depressants (both
> above placebo). I'm attaching a pdf based on this work that I refer to from
> time to time.
> ?
>
> But such text should never been taken literally. Only for inspiration.
> Unless they contain reasoning, like in "the question to king Milinda" (one
> of my favorite spiritual text).
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> I believe (as did Luther) that the actual words are semi-physical
> and paste themselves in our memories or subconsciousness
> and work on us like cognitive therapy:
>
> Hebrews 4:12
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> "12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged
> sword,
> it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it
> judges the
> thoughts and attitudes of the heart. "
>
> Luther suffered from time with depression, and found words
> and cognitive therapy very helpful.
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> It can be. A lot of plants can help too.
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> Yup :)
> ?
> Unfortunately, by tolerating prohibition, we assist to an unfair
> competition between nature and artifice, and we have made the state into a
> drug dealer. In the human science we are below being nowhere. We do money
> from diseases, crisis, catastrophes. There is something wrong, and I think
> it has been facilitated by a tradition of artificial lack of rigor in the
> human sciences
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> Why do you think that the lack of rigor in human sciences is artificial?
> ?
> , and in the fundamental sciences.
>
> Bruno
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> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
> 1/12/2013
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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> Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God
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> On 12 Jan 2013, at 11:56, Roger Clough wrote:
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> The only tenet to faith is trust in God. Period.
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> Yes.
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> That is even why we should never try to convince some others about
> God. We can only trust that God will do that, at the best moment. We
> can teach by example, but not with words, still less with normative
> moral, I think. Hell is really paved with good intentions. God might
> be the good, but the Devil is the "good".
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> Bruno
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> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
> 1/12/2013
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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> Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God
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> On 1/11/2013 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> What are its tenets that you believe on faith?
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> That there is something different from me.
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> But you have evidence for that - if you can figure out what is meant
> by "me".
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> I think you need faith to make data into evidence.
>
> That would vitiate the concept of evidence. I'd say you only need a
> theory to make data into evidence which can count for or against the
> theory.
>
> Brent
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