Hi Roger, Me too - well maybe not as often as I should. I hope it's helping you!
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Roger Clough <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Telmo Menezes > > Burns' therapy is called "cognitive therapy". I use it all of the time. > > > > [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] > 1/14/2013 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Telmo Menezes > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2013-01-13, 12:59:38 > Subject: Re: cognitive therapy > > > The attachments of the original message is as following: > (1). CBT-distortions.pdf > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 12 Jan 2013, at 13:35, Roger Clough wrote: > > > Hi Bruno Marchal > > Personally I have found that reading the Bible a little > and knowing some scripture verse, helps. > > > Why not? > > But Chuang-tseu, Lie-tseu, Lao-Tseu, Alan Watts, and even the Baghavad > Gita (a rather crazy text from the conventional spiritual pov), and many > texts can help. > > > > I have a friend who keeps recommending the Bhagavad Gita. Alan Watts is > great, always makes me feel better. > > > An interesting book written by a cognitive therapist is "Feeling Good: the > New Mood Therapy" by David D. Burns, M.D. There is one study where reading > this book had the same effectiveness as conventional anti-depressants (both > above placebo). I'm attaching a pdf based on this work that I refer to from > time to time. > ? > > But such text should never been taken literally. Only for inspiration. > Unless they contain reasoning, like in "the question to king Milinda" (one > of my favorite spiritual text). > > > > > I believe (as did Luther) that the actual words are semi-physical > and paste themselves in our memories or subconsciousness > and work on us like cognitive therapy: > > Hebrews 4:12 > > "12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged > sword, > it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it > judges the > thoughts and attitudes of the heart. " > > Luther suffered from time with depression, and found words > and cognitive therapy very helpful. > > > It can be. A lot of plants can help too. > > > Yup :) > ? > Unfortunately, by tolerating prohibition, we assist to an unfair > competition between nature and artifice, and we have made the state into a > drug dealer. In the human science we are below being nowhere. We do money > from diseases, crisis, catastrophes. There is something wrong, and I think > it has been facilitated by a tradition of artificial lack of rigor in the > human sciences > > > Why do you think that the lack of rigor in human sciences is artificial? > ? > , and in the fundamental sciences. > > Bruno > > > > > > > > [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] > 1/12/2013 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Bruno Marchal > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2013-01-12, 07:05:18 > Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God > > > On 12 Jan 2013, at 11:56, Roger Clough wrote: > > > > The only tenet to faith is trust in God. Period. > > > Yes. > > That is even why we should never try to convince some others about > God. We can only trust that God will do that, at the best moment. We > can teach by example, but not with words, still less with normative > moral, I think. Hell is really paved with good intentions. God might > be the good, but the Devil is the "good". > > Bruno > > > > > > > [Roger Clough], [[email protected]] > 1/12/2013 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: meekerdb > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2013-01-11, 15:47:58 > Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God > > > On 1/11/2013 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > What are its tenets that you believe on faith? > > > That there is something different from me. > > > But you have evidence for that - if you can figure out what is meant > by "me". > > > I think you need faith to make data into evidence. > > That would vitiate the concept of evidence. I'd say you only need a > theory to make data into evidence which can count for or against the > theory. > > Brent > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en > . > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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