On 12 Jan 2013, at 13:35, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
Personally I have found that reading the Bible a little
and knowing some scripture verse, helps.
Why not?
But Chuang-tseu, Lie-tseu, Lao-Tseu, Alan Watts, and even the Baghavad
Gita (a rather crazy text from the conventional spiritual pov), and
many texts can help.
But such text should never been taken literally. Only for inspiration.
Unless they contain reasoning, like in "the question to king
Milinda" (one of my favorite spiritual text).
I believe (as did Luther) that the actual words are semi-physical
and paste themselves in our memories or subconsciousness
and work on us like cognitive therapy:
Hebrews 4:12
"12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-
edged sword,
it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow;
it judges the
thoughts and attitudes of the heart. "
Luther suffered from time with depression, and found words
and cognitive therapy very helpful.
It can be. A lot of plants can help too. Unfortunately, by tolerating
prohibition, we assist to an unfair competition between nature and
artifice, and we have made the state into a drug dealer. In the human
science we are below being nowhere. We do money from diseases, crisis,
catastrophes. There is something wrong, and I think it has been
facilitated by a tradition of artificial lack of rigor in the human
sciences, and in the fundamental sciences.
Bruno
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
1/12/2013
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God
On 12 Jan 2013, at 11:56, Roger Clough wrote:
The only tenet to faith is trust in God. Period.
Yes.
That is even why we should never try to convince some others about
God. We can only trust that God will do that, at the best moment. We
can teach by example, but not with words, still less with normative
moral, I think. Hell is really paved with good intentions. God might
be the good, but the Devil is the "good".
Bruno
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
1/12/2013
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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Time: 2013-01-11, 15:47:58
Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God
On 1/11/2013 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
What are its tenets that you believe on faith?
That there is something different from me.
But you have evidence for that - if you can figure out what is meant
by "me".
I think you need faith to make data into evidence.
That would vitiate the concept of evidence. I'd say you only need a
theory to make data into evidence which can count for or against the
theory.
Brent
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