Re: Re: Re: Re: The objective world of autopoesis

2012-10-20 Thread Roger Clough
...@verizon.net 10/20/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Terren Suydam Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-19, 13:37:23 Subject: Re: Re: Re: The objective world of autopoesis Hi Roger, I'm not sure

Re: Re: Re: The objective world of autopoesis

2012-10-19 Thread Roger Clough
the following content - From: Terren Suydam Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-18, 15:28:22 Subject: Re: Re: The objective world of autopoesis Hi Roger, A quale as I understand it is simply a unit of subjective experience. It's a bit of an abstraction since experience does not reduce

Re: Re: The objective world of autopoesis

2012-10-18 Thread Roger Clough
TERREN: Hi Roger, Autopoeisis says there is a boundary between the environment and the system through which no information crosses (structural closure)... ROGER: OK, it is alive. TERREN: if we apply that model to our nervous system, we can say that the reality we experience is a

Re: Re: The objective world of autopoesis

2012-10-18 Thread Terren Suydam
Hi Roger, A quale as I understand it is simply a unit of subjective experience. It's a bit of an abstraction since experience does not reduce to constituent units, but as a convention for talking about subjective experience, I suppose it is sometimes useful to be able to refer to a singular

The objective world of autopoesis

2012-10-17 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Terren Suydam IMHO autopoesis, like all of AI, is a tool for the public, objective world (Thirdness) That is fine, but the real nitty-gritty (such as mind or consciousness) dwells in subjective experiences (quale) (Firstness). So I don't find autopoesis that useful or

Re: The objective world of autopoesis

2012-10-17 Thread Terren Suydam
Hi Roger, Autopoeisis says there is a boundary between the environment and the system through which no information crosses (structural closure)... if we apply that model to our nervous system, we can say that the reality we experience is a construction, a virtual reality dynamically generated by

Re: The objective world of autopoesis

2012-10-17 Thread Roberto
Hello people, right spelling is autopoiesis and to better understanding I recommend reading Autopoiesis and Cognition and The Tree of Knowledge from Maturana et Varela. Roberto Szabó Em 17/10/2012, às 09:25, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net escreveu: Hi Terren Suydam IMHO autopoesis,