Re: The Prestige (Spoiler Alert) and First Person Indeterminacy

2015-05-05 Thread Dennis Ochei
Computer scientist's or. If you read it that way it's a yes or no question. Misreading an exclusive or as an inclusive or is often used in CS/Math jokes. He's also indicating that his model of personal identity allows branching, i.e. you're both. If you think you will be the Prestige beforehand

Re: The Prestige (Spoiler Alert) and First Person Indeterminacy

2015-05-05 Thread LizR
It's a question to which the answer could be yes, I would be the man in the box or the man in the prestige (believes only one is the original, and the other is a copy that doesn't preserve the original's consciousness) or yes, I will be the man in the box and the man in the prestige (believes

The Prestige (Spoiler Alert) and First Person Indeterminacy

2015-05-04 Thread Jason Resch
John Clark, you have often praised the movie The Prestige on this list. I am curious to know, how did you interpret the line: Would I be the man in the box or the prestige? (Spoken/Thought by the magician Robert Angier, prior to duplicating himself to two locations: a box filled with water

Re: The Prestige (Spoiler Alert) and First Person Indeterminacy

2015-05-04 Thread John Clark
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: John Clark, you have often praised the movie The Prestige on this list. I am curious to know, how did you interpret the line: Would I be the man in the box or the prestige? I would answer yes. John K Clark -- You

Re: The Prestige (Spoiler Alert) and First Person Indeterminacy

2015-05-04 Thread Jason Resch
Yes to what? It wasn't a yes or no question. Jason On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 11:49 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: John Clark, you have often praised the movie The Prestige on this list. I am curious

Re: The Prestige (Spoiler Alert) and First Person Indeterminacy

2015-05-04 Thread John Clark
: On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: John Clark, you have often praised the movie The Prestige on this list. I am curious to know, how did you interpret the line: Would I be the man in the box or the prestige? I would answer yes. John K Clark

Re: Greg Egan's Permutation City was: The prestige

2008-04-19 Thread Günther Greindl
Bruno, more seriously imo. And then I tell you without further explanation that the prestige is truly more. We can come back on this later. OK I cave in, I will watch this movie :-)) Cheers, Günther --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you

Re: Greg Egan's Permutation City was: The prestige

2008-04-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 17-avr.-08, à 18:15, Günther Greindl a écrit : I read the Wikipedia of The prestige (too lazy to watch the movie ;-) and, yes, it's classical comp stuff *grin* What I would like to recommend to everybody on the list is Greg Egan's book Permutation City Yes that is a very good book

Re: The prestige

2008-04-18 Thread nichomachus
On Apr 17, 5:17 am, Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le 16-avr.-08, à 15:13, nichomachus (Steve) a écrit : The Prestige, with Christian Bale, Hugh Jackman, Michael Caine, Andy Serkis and David Bowie as Nikola Tesla... I also highly recommend this very entertaining movie that I

Re: The prestige

2008-04-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 16-avr.-08, à 15:13, nichomachus (Steve) a écrit : The Prestige, with Christian Bale, Hugh Jackman, Michael Caine, Andy Serkis and David Bowie as Nikola Tesla... I also highly recommend this very entertaining movie that I saw last week. Unfortunately, Bruno, I don't see

Re: The prestige

2008-04-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
ourselves, it may be possible to derive a probability distribution describing the likelihood of our location in the ensemble. To go back to the comments you were making about the Prestige: If the subject of a quantum immortality experiment finds himself improbably alive, is he in some sense

Greg Egan's Permutation City was: The prestige

2008-04-17 Thread Günther Greindl
I read the Wikipedia of The prestige (too lazy to watch the movie ;-) and, yes, it's classical comp stuff *grin* What I would like to recommend to everybody on the list is Greg Egan's book Permutation City I can recommend everything by Egan - hard, no nonsense, mathematically informed SciFi

The prestige

2008-04-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
I recommend the movie The prestige. (2006 movie by Christopher Nolan based on a novel by Christopher Priest). Simulacron three (the book by Galouye, or the thirteen floor movie) is the best introduction to our general topic (imo), especially through comp and simulated reality. Matrix and many

Re: The prestige

2008-04-16 Thread nichomachus
The Prestige, with Christian Bale, Hugh Jackman, Michael Caine, Andy Serkis and David Bowie as Nikola Tesla... I also highly recommend this very entertaining movie that I saw last week. Unfortunately, Bruno, I don't see the connection between this film and the computationalist hypothesis

Re: The prestige

2008-04-16 Thread Jason Resch
The Prestige is an excellent movie. It forced me to seriously consider the questions of identity, personhood and consciousness that it raised and ultimately it set me on the trajectory of joining this list. I would explain more fully the relevance I see of this movie to the everything list