RE: Bruno's argument

2006-08-03 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Brent Meeker writes: > > The brain-with-wires-attached cannot interact with the environment, because > > all its sense organs have been removed and the stimulation is just coming > > from > > a recording. Instead of the wires + recording we could say that there is a > > special > > group o

Re: Interested in thoughts on this excerpt from Martin Rees

2006-08-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 02-août-06, à 10:20, C. W. a écrit : Hi, Bruno, Sorry for my na鴳e question. Common people would think that UDA is just imagination since you use the teleportation example and teleportation of human beings is still a science fiction. Nobody can show that the substitution level really exists a

The Irreducibility of Consciousness

2006-08-03 Thread Tom Caylor
I totally agree that consciousness requires "outside" interaction. That's the way we are. We are living beings that exist in a world. We, as we are, couldn't exist otherwise. Things happen. We interact. We make other things happen. The question of consciousness is a contradiction. The questio

RE: The Irreducibility of Consciousness

2006-08-03 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Tom Caylor writes: > I totally agree that consciousness requires "outside" interaction. > That's the way we are. We are living beings that exist in a world. > We, as we are, couldn't exist otherwise. Things happen. We interact. > We make other things happen. The question of consciousness is

RE: Interested in thoughts on this excerpt from Martin Rees

2006-08-03 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
CW writes: > Hi, Bruno, > > Sorry for my na鴳e question. > Common people would think that UDA is just imagination since you use the > teleportation > example and teleportation of human beings is still a science fiction. > Nobody can show that the substitution level really exists and teleportat

RE: Bruno's argument

2006-08-03 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Russell Standish writes: > In the Multiverse, there is a huge difference between a recording and > the actual computation. Only in one single universe (or history) of > the ensemble do the two coincide. > > The "recording is a computation" issue is only a problem for single > universe theory IMH

RE: Interested in thoughts on this excerpt from Martin Rees

2006-08-03 Thread W. C.
>From: Bruno Marchal >All we need to *reason* for getting consequence of comp is that such >substitution is *in principle* possible. Theoreticians does that, in many > >fields. I insist that the UDA (Universal Dovetailer Argument) is based on >the notion of generalized brain: you could say that

RE: Interested in thoughts on this excerpt from Martin Rees

2006-08-03 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
CW writes: > >From: Stathis Papaioannou > >Do you believe that IF you vanished at point A and a copy of you created at > >point B who was physically and mentally similar to the original to the same > >extent as if you had walked from A to B you would have survived? If you > >answer "no" then y