String theory and Cellular Automata

2007-03-14 Thread Mohsen Ravanbakhsh
I'm thinking there's some kind of similarity between string theory and depicting the world as a big CA. In String theory we have some vibrating strings which have some kind of influence on each other and can for different matters and fields. CA can play such role of changing patterns and of course

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-14 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/14/07, Kim Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A little refresher now: > > > On 31/12/2006, at 8:25 AM, Tom Caylor wrote: > > > Besides the question of how meaning relates to this List, the question > > of meaning itself can be asked at several different levels, so I'll > > list a few: > > > > 1

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-14 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/14/07, Torgny Tholerus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Stathis Papaioannou skrev: > > On 3/13/07, Mohsen Ravanbakhsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > *Not necessarily. If you draw a diagonal on a square on a computer > > screen, it will be made up of a discrete number of pixels despite what >

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-14 Thread Torgny Tholerus
Stathis Papaioannou skrev: On 3/14/07, Torgny Tholerus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Stathis Papaioannou skrev: How can you be sure? Maybe space is discrete. Yes, space (and time) is discrete.  Everything in the universe is finite, and the universe itself is finit

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-14 Thread David Nyman
On Mar 14, 9:44 am, "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/14/07, Kim Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is > conceivable that the physical world might not exist, or God not exist, or > God exist but not make the physical world, but it is not conceivable that > circles or inte

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-14 Thread Brent Meeker
Torgny Tholerus wrote: > Stathis Papaioannou skrev: >> On 3/14/07, *Torgny Tholerus* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > wrote: >> >> Stathis Papaioannou skrev: >>> How can you be sure? Maybe space is discrete. >> Yes, space (and time) is discrete. Everything in the uni

Re: String theory and Cellular Automata

2007-03-14 Thread Brent Meeker
Mohsen Ravanbakhsh wrote: > I'm thinking there's some kind of similarity between string theory and > depicting the world as a big CA. In String theory we have some vibrating > strings which have some kind of influence on each other and can for > different matters and fields. CA can play such ro

Janus [was Evidence for the simulation argument ]

2007-03-14 Thread Mark Peaty
I think many questions go begging here. Your elementary unit SU will have more of a logical existence than a 'physical' existence. There is no reason to suppose that Pythagoras's theory will apply because Pythagoras's theory entails ideas of straight lines, a right angle, and so forth but you

Re: Janus [was Evidence for the simulation argument ]

2007-03-14 Thread John Mikes
Mark, makes sense - but... *: I hate when people create a new vocabulary to be learned for appropriate use. I made MY vocabulary and the rest of the world should learn it. Adolf Hitler. * Then again I like your 'plain English' of Latin words, grammar and mythology. * We like to mix features of redu

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-14 Thread John Mikes
Kim, thanks for your observing 'lurking' about the 'hatchet'. I do not believe that we would have buried it into each others' head, I accepted that Bruno may be irritated (by my question/remark, or by other business). To your choice of Q-#1: recalls my usual doubt "in Mark's Plain English": does t

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-14 Thread John Mikes
Russell, I apologize for my flippant quip of yesterday, it was after several hours of reading and replying internet discussion lists. Besides: it was true. I never considered the features named as distinguishing 'colors' in QCD as "poles". Also it is new to me that the strong force has 3 poles.

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-14 Thread 明迪
My reply to the topic: The question "How to calculate the Universe?" by definition is equivalent to the question "how to calculate Everything," including the answer to the question "what is the meaning of life". It justifies our existence even if we were not to know exactly the meaning of it. :-)

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-14 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/14/07, David Nyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 14, 9:44 am, "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 3/14/07, Kim Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It is > > conceivable that the physical world might not exist, or God not exist, > or > > God exist but not make t

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-14 Thread Russell Standish
I think high energy physicists talk about "colour charge", rather than "colour pole", but this is by analogy to electricity with its +ve & -ve charges, rather than analogy to magnetism with its north and south poles. However at the level of analogy, which is what your story is, this distinction is

Re: String theory and Cellular Automata

2007-03-14 Thread Colin Hales
Hi, See previous posts here re EC - Entropy Calculus. This caught my eye, thought I'd throw in my $0.02 worth. I have been working on this idea for a long while now. Am writing it up as part of my PhD process. The EC is a lambda calculus formalism that depicts reality. It's actual instantati

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-14 Thread David Nyman
On Mar 14, 10:18 pm, "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Perhaps using the term "existence" for mathematical objects is misleading. > It doesn't mean they exist as separate objects in the real world, just that > they exist as concepts. This is mathematical Platonism. Yes, I und

Re: The Meaning of Life

2007-03-14 Thread Brent Meeker
David Nyman wrote: > > > On Mar 14, 10:18 pm, "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Perhaps using the term "existence" for mathematical objects is misleading. >> It doesn't mean they exist as separate objects in the real world, just that >> they exist as concepts. This is mathe

Re: String theory and Cellular Automata

2007-03-14 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 10:57:57AM +1100, Colin Hales wrote: > > > The EC is a lambda calculus formalism that depicts reality. It's actual > instantation with one particular and unbelievable massive axiom set is the > universe we are in. The instantation is literally the CA of the EC > primitive

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-14 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/15/07, Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Torgny Tholerus wrote: > > Stathis Papaioannou skrev: > >> On 3/14/07, *Torgny Tholerus* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > wrote: > >> > >> Stathis Papaioannou skrev: > >>> How can you be sure? Maybe space is discre

Re: Evidence for the simulation argument

2007-03-14 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On 3/15/07, *Brent Meeker* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > > Torgny Tholerus wrote: > > Stathis Papaioannou skrev: > >> On 3/14/07, *Torgny Tholerus* < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> <