Re: bruno list

2011-08-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 20.08.2011 00:38 meekerdb said the following: On 8/19/2011 11:51 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: It seems that at present there is only one candidate for a zombie - Dennet, who defending his theory seems to refuse his own consciousness (I do not remember now where I have seen this nice statement,

Re: bruno list

2011-08-20 Thread meekerdb
On 8/20/2011 12:12 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.08.2011 00:38 meekerdb said the following: On 8/19/2011 11:51 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: It seems that at present there is only one candidate for a zombie - Dennet, who defending his theory seems to refuse his own consciousness (I do not rememb

Re: bruno list

2011-08-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Aug 19, 10:26 pm, meekerdb wrote: > On 8/19/2011 6:22 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > The retina doesn't act on the world in response to light? It doesn't > > send a signal to the brain in the same manner that changes in a metal > > strip triggers the HVAC system? > > The hypothesis was that the

Dennett, zombie and zimbo

2011-08-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Trying to remember where I have seen the statement about Dennett, I have made search on Google. Two findings (both are not my source though): 1) Is Daniel Dennett a zombie? Discussion on ephilosopher.com where the question, I believe is close to the statement that I have seen. "This is not

Re: Dennett, zombie and zimbo

2011-08-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Aug 20, 8:02 am, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: >Now, Dennett would be the > first to say that it just 'seems' to me that I have a phenomenology but > that is the point isn't it? If it seems to me then I have it. How can > anyone think otherwise?? Exactly. The fact that we feel is not contingent upon

IBM produces first 'brain chips'

2011-08-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14574747 Looks like we may be finding out sooner rather than later whether there is more to the psyche than networking logic. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send em

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-08-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Aug 2011, at 18:49, benjayk wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Aug 2011, at 20:13, benjayk wrote: It depends on what we mean with primitive ontological entity. What we assume to exist (or to make sense) explicitly when we build a theory. You could define this as primitive ontol

Re: Turing Machines

2011-08-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Aug 2011, at 20:18, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 18.08.2011 16:24 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 17 Aug 2011, at 20:07, meekerdb wrote: On 8/17/2011 10:36 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 16.08.2011 20:47 meekerdb said the following: On 8/16/2011 11:03 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Yes,

Re: Unconscious Components

2011-08-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Aug 2011, at 04:24, meekerdb wrote: On 8/19/2011 6:14 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > Perhaps later. See a bit below. Bp is meant for "the machine believes > p" when written in the language of the machine. If the machine is a > theorem prover for arithmetic, Bp is an abbreviation for

Re: bruno list

2011-08-20 Thread meekerdb
On 8/20/2011 4:04 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Aug 19, 10:26 pm, meekerdb wrote: On 8/19/2011 6:22 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: The retina doesn't act on the world in response to light? It doesn't send a signal to the brain in the same manner that changes in a metal strip triggers t

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-08-20 Thread benjayk
Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 19 Aug 2011, at 18:49, benjayk wrote: > >> >> >> Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 18 Aug 2011, at 20:13, benjayk wrote: >>> >>> > It depends on what we mean with primitive ontological entity. >>> >>> What we assume to exist (or to make

Re: Unconscious Components

2011-08-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
PART I On Aug 20, 12:16 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 20 Aug 2011, at 03:14, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Aug 18, 9:43 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 17 Aug 2011, at 06:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > >>> Not sure I understand. Do I hope for this world and therefore it > >>> exists to me in a

Re: bruno list

2011-08-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Aug 20, 3:05 pm, meekerdb wrote: > On 8/20/2011 4:04 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > No they don't.  The thermostat that's connected to the furnace can > modify it's world, who's only attribute is temperature.  If it's not > connected to a furnace then it can sense temperature, but it can't act

Re: Dennett, zombie and zimbo

2011-08-20 Thread meekerdb
On 8/20/2011 6:10 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Aug 20, 8:02 am, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Now, Dennett would be the first to say that it just 'seems' to me that I have a phenomenology but that is the point isn't it? If it seems to me then I have it. How can anyone think otherwise?? Exac

Re: IBM produces first 'brain chips'

2011-08-20 Thread John Mikes
Craig, you know more about the 'IBM-Synapse' achievement than myself (easy: I know nothing, did not even thopughtfully decipher the article in all its details). I would ask IBM (they may not reply of course) if their machine (chip?) can solve ANY technical problem barred by unsurmountable difficult

Re: Turing Machines

2011-08-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I have browsed papers on Loebian embodiment, for example Life, Mind, and Robots The Ins and Outs of Embodied Cognition Hybrid Neural Systems, 2000 - Springer http://acs.ist.psu.edu/misc/dirk-files/Papers/EmbodiedCognition/Life,%20Mind%20and%20Robots_The%20Ins%20and%20Outs%20of%20Embodied%20Cognit