Re: Can we test for parallel worlds?

2014-11-30 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Point take, Jason. I am interested in using scientific theory and praxis to benefit the species. I always have the practical in mind, even in the purest of intellectual pursuits. Mitch As Max Tegmark said, we don't need to observe parallel universes to accept them. If they are a prediction

Re: real A.I.

2014-11-30 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 5:18 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Telmo: reasonable thinking. My wife Maria (almost as old as I am) had long ago her own ideas abou the zookeeper syndrom: we are kept here safe for SOME purpose *They* know, *We* don't. When we finished our usefulness it is

Re: My latest crossword

2014-11-30 Thread Telmo Menezes
Thanks Liz. This seems potentially addictive, I will have to tread carefully. On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:19 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I will post the solution ... but not quite yet. In the meantime I have revised a few clues I wasn't happy with, so maybe that will help. I can

Re: Quantum Mechanics Violation of the Second Law

2014-11-30 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 4:29 PM, George gl...@quantics.net wrote: http://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/1-4020-3016-9 As I have explained in previous posts, it is my opinion that Loschmidt was wrong in thinking that a Maxwellian gas column could power a perpetual motion machine of the Second

Re: Quantum Mechanics Violation of the Second Law

2014-11-30 Thread Richard Ruquist
John, Experimental results at several high-energy colliders suggest that at some point in the big bang the universe was a quark-gluon plasma, which despite it's high energy, is a BEC where all the particles share the same wave function- so they say. It seems to me that if all particles in the

Re: Edge: Myth of A.I.

2014-11-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Nov 2014, at 11:51, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Richard, On 28 Nov 2014, at 19:19, Richard Ruquist wrote: It occurred to me that if consciousness is entirely classical- no quantum effects- then perhaps

Re: Edge: Myth of A.I.

2014-11-30 Thread zibbsey
On Saturday, November 29, 2014 7:03:53 AM UTC, Kim Jones wrote: On 29 Nov 2014, at 10:08 am, Richard Ruquist yan...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: It may just be herding instinct or projection on my part, but it seems that my chickens are more intelligent as a group than

Re: Quantum Mechanics Violation of the Second Law

2014-11-30 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Experimental results at several high-energy colliders suggest that at some point in the big bang the universe was a quark-gluon plasma, which despite it's high energy, is a BEC where all the particles share the same

Re: real A.I.

2014-11-30 Thread John Mikes
Telmo: - funny. First I would appreciate a hint from you about mathematical realism (???) in fairly reasonable terms about where numbers come from and how they format The World. Bruno said it is 'deeper' than waht he could explain to me. I took his word - am not an argue-boy. Secondly: MY

Re: Edge: Myth of A.I.

2014-11-30 Thread zibbsey
On Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:57:38 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:01 PM, zib...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I was talking about your root idea that Evolution cannot detect consciousness It can't and neither can we. (because we can't, I think you said)

Re: real A.I.

2014-11-30 Thread meekerdb
On 11/30/2014 2:19 PM, John Mikes wrote: Telmo: - funny. First I would appreciate a hint from you about mathematical realism (???) in fairly reasonable terms about where numbers come from and how they format The World. Bruno said it is 'deeper' than waht he could explain to me. I took his word

Re: Edge: Myth of A.I.

2014-11-30 Thread zibbsey
On Saturday, November 29, 2014 7:38:54 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 11:03 AM, spudboy100 wrote: The word purposeless is purposeless unless there is a referent. Purposeless for who? Maybe the universe finds me to be purposeless but I don't care any more than the

Re: Is Dark Energy Gobbling Dark Matter, and Slowing Universe's Expansion?

2014-11-30 Thread zibbsey
On Friday, November 28, 2014 8:49:33 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: The point is that galaxies should be expanding in relation to bound systems like stars and the solar system, in a similar manner to the universe though for a different reason (so almost certainly not at the same rate). And that

Re: Edge: Myth of A.I.

2014-11-30 Thread LizR
For some reason a lot of religious people attempt to argue that Darwin was wrong, just as a lot of people seem to have always wanted to show that Einstein was wrong. There appears to be something about these targets that attracts a certain type of person, even though there might be better pickings

Re: Is Dark Energy Gobbling Dark Matter, and Slowing Universe's Expansion?

2014-11-30 Thread LizR
OK, I'm just curious to knowI don't know what plausible answers were provided, I don't recall any that addressed this point. Maybe I missed them, I don't have a lot of time to spend on this forum (or any forum...) I suppose if the amount of DM being annihilated is very small relative to the

Re: Two apparently different forms of entropy

2014-11-30 Thread zibbsey
On Thursday, November 27, 2014 7:22:19 PM UTC, zib...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:16:40 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: LizR wrote: On 27 November 2014 at 04:51, spudboy100 via Everything List everyth...@googlegroups.com mailto:everyth...@googlegroups.com wrote:

Re: Two apparently different forms of entropy

2014-11-30 Thread LizR
On 1 December 2014 at 14:48, zibb...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, November 27, 2014 7:22:19 PM UTC, zib...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:16:40 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: LizR wrote: On 27 November 2014 at 04:51, spudboy100 via Everything List everyth...@googlegroups.com

Re: Two apparently different forms of entropy

2014-11-30 Thread LizR
On 1 December 2014 at 14:48, zibb...@gmail.com wrote: I acknowledge that most people here have me on ignore or appear to. Acknowledged and respected. I would really appreciate views/corrections to this point however. Therefore would it be possible for anyone who does not have me on ignore to

Re: Is Dark Energy Gobbling Dark Matter, and Slowing Universe's Expansion?

2014-11-30 Thread zibbsey
On Monday, December 1, 2014 1:48:35 AM UTC, Liz R wrote: OK, I'm just curious to knowI don't know what plausible answers were provided, I don't recall any that addressed this point. Maybe I missed them, I don't have a lot of time to spend on this forum (or any forum...) I suppose if

Re: Is Dark Energy Gobbling Dark Matter, and Slowing Universe's Expansion?

2014-11-30 Thread zibbsey
On Monday, December 1, 2014 2:07:17 AM UTC, zib...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 1, 2014 1:48:35 AM UTC, Liz R wrote: OK, I'm just curious to knowI don't know what plausible answers were provided, I don't recall any that addressed this point. Maybe I missed them, I don't

Re: Is Dark Energy Gobbling Dark Matter, and Slowing Universe's Expansion?

2014-11-30 Thread Richard Ruquist
I posted a reference here that suggested how distant black holes could become correlated. http://arxiv.org/pdf/1308.0289v1.pdf Richard On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 9:07 PM, zibb...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 1, 2014 1:48:35 AM UTC, Liz R wrote: OK, I'm just curious to knowI don't

Re: Is Dark Energy Gobbling Dark Matter, and Slowing Universe's Expansion?

2014-11-30 Thread zibbsey
On Monday, December 1, 2014 2:14:33 AM UTC, yanniru wrote: I posted a reference here that suggested how distant black holes could become correlated. http://arxiv.org/pdf/1308.0289v1.pdf I saw / have seen the argument...always read things you reference if see them. What I would say is

Re: Is Dark Energy Gobbling Dark Matter, and Slowing Universe's Expansion?

2014-11-30 Thread Richard Ruquist
I have read that reference. It is obvious that you have not. But then almost everything you post here is baloney. So it may not matter if you read the paper or not. Richard On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 9:25 PM, zibb...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, December 1, 2014 2:14:33 AM UTC, yanniru wrote: I

Re: Is Dark Energy Gobbling Dark Matter, and Slowing Universe's Expansion?

2014-11-30 Thread zibbsey
On Monday, December 1, 2014 2:30:05 AM UTC, yanniru wrote: I have read that reference. It is obvious that you have not. But then almost everything you post here is baloney. So it may not matter if you read the paper or not. Richard I read and we even exchanged about it. But there are

Re: Is Dark Energy Gobbling Dark Matter, and Slowing Universe's Expansion?

2014-11-30 Thread Richard Ruquist
That is exactly the same kind of correlation that Motl, Gharibyon, Penna and I are talking about. It is a form of cosmic entanglement. However, if you recall I extrapolated from GP's paper that black holes must be intelligent to be monogamus. And in a post to Bruno I speculated the particle wave

Re: Is Dark Energy Gobbling Dark Matter, and Slowing Universe's Expansion?

2014-11-30 Thread zibbsey
On Monday, December 1, 2014 4:24:38 AM UTC, yanniru wrote: That is exactly the same kind of correlation that Motl, Gharibyon, Penna and I are talking about. It is a form of cosmic entanglement. how do we know when an idea like cosmic entanglement is a good scientific idea or a catch-all

Re: Is Dark Energy Gobbling Dark Matter, and Slowing Universe's Expansion?

2014-11-30 Thread Richard Ruquist
Zibby, They may be interested, but they cannot publish such an interest and put their careers at risk. It is only emeritus types like myself that can put such speculations in print. What they can publish is the math behind the limited conclusion. David Deutsch is the exception. Zappy On Sun,

Re: Edge: Myth of A.I.

2014-11-30 Thread John Clark
Zibbsey wrote: I should think we'll need an origin-of-life answer to scientific standards before we can start finalizing on the assumptions underpinning all that. Darwin was in my opinion the greatest scientist who ever lived because he provided a elegant answer to the question of how we got

Re: Is Dark Energy Gobbling Dark Matter, and Slowing Universe's Expansion?

2014-11-30 Thread zibbsey
On Monday, December 1, 2014 5:05:43 AM UTC, yanniru wrote: Zibby, They may be interested, but they cannot publish such an interest and put their careers at risk. It is only emeritus types like myself that can put such speculations in print. What they can publish is the math behind the