Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

2020-06-09 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:03 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 03:08, Jason Resch wrote: > >> For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable >> implications of computationalism on physical law, and instead focus on the >> following idea: >> >> "How

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

2020-06-09 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 6/9/2020 4:02 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 03:08, Jason Resch > wrote: For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable implications of computationalism on physical law, and instead focus on the

Re: My view of Bruno's theory

2020-06-09 Thread Alan Grayson
On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 5:04:07 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 1:51:32 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 12:46:34 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 12:38:08 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

2020-06-09 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 09:15, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:03 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 03:08, Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable >>> implications of computationalism on

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

2020-06-09 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 03:08, Jason Resch wrote: > For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable > implications of computationalism on physical law, and instead focus on the > following idea: > > "How can we know if a robot is conscious?" > > Let's say there are two brains,

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

2020-06-09 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 6/9/2020 4:58 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 09:32, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 6/9/2020 4:02 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 03:08, Jason Resch

Re: My view of Bruno's theory

2020-06-09 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 1:51:32 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 12:46:34 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 12:38:08 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 10:25:41 AM UTC-6, Philip

Re: The semantics of quantum mechanics, Copenhagen style

2020-06-09 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 5:57:38 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 9 Jun 2020, at 02:27, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 9:39:30 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 7 Jun 2020, at 13:25, Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >> >> On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at

Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

2020-06-09 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 2:15 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 6/9/2020 10:08 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable > > implications of computationalism on physical law, and instead

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

2020-06-09 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 6/9/2020 4:14 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:03 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 03:08, Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote: For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

2020-06-09 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 09:32, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 6/9/2020 4:02 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 03:08, Jason Resch wrote: > >> For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable >>

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

2020-06-09 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 6/9/2020 4:45 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 09:15, Jason Resch > wrote: On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:03 PM Stathis Papaioannou mailto:stath...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 03:08, Jason Resch

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

2020-06-09 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 2:15:40 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 6/9/2020 10:08 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable > > implications of computationalism on physical law, and instead focus on > > the following idea: > > > > "How

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

2020-06-09 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 10:41, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 6/9/2020 4:45 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 09:15, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:03 PM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >>

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

2020-06-09 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 11:16, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 6/9/2020 4:58 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 09:32, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

2020-06-09 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 6/9/2020 6:41 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 10:41, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 6/9/2020 4:45 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 09:15, Jason Resch

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

2020-06-09 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 13:25, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 6/9/2020 7:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 11:16, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

2020-06-09 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 12:49, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 6/9/2020 6:41 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 10:41, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

2020-06-09 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 6/9/2020 7:48 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 11:16, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 6/9/2020 4:58 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 09:32, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: The semantics of quantum mechanics, Copenhagen style

2020-06-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 9 Jun 2020, at 02:27, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 9:39:30 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 7 Jun 2020, at 13:25, Lawrence Crowell > > wrote: >> >> On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 5:25:23 PM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> As for Hossenfelder's fav

Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

2020-06-09 Thread Jason Resch
For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable implications of computationalism on physical law, and instead focus on the following idea: "How can we know if a robot is conscious?" Let's say there are two brains, one biological and one an exact computational emulation,

Re: My view of Bruno's theory

2020-06-09 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 5:42:36 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 6/8/2020 2:24 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 2:32:26 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 6/7/2020 11:21 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 10:00:46 AM UTC-5, Alan

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

2020-06-09 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 1:08 PM Jason Resch wrote: *> How can we know if a robot is conscious?* The exact same way we know that one of our fellow human beings is conscious when he's not sleeping or under anesthesia or dead. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed

Re: My view of Bruno's theory

2020-06-09 Thread Alan Grayson
On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 10:25:41 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 5:42:36 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 6/8/2020 2:24 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 2:32:26 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/7/2020 11:21 PM,

Re: My view of Bruno's theory

2020-06-09 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 12:38:08 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 10:25:41 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 5:42:36 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/8/2020 2:24 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On

Re: My view of Bruno's theory

2020-06-09 Thread Alan Grayson
On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 12:46:34 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 12:38:08 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 10:25:41 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 5:42:36 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:

Re: Is functionalism/computationalism unfalsifiable?

2020-06-09 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 6/9/2020 10:08 AM, Jason Resch wrote: For the present discussion/question, I want to ignore the testable implications of computationalism on physical law, and instead focus on the following idea: "How can we know if a robot is conscious?" Let's say there are two brains, one biological 

Re: The semantics of quantum mechanics, Copenhagen style

2020-06-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 8 Jun 2020, at 23:47, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/8/2020 7:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 7 Jun 2020, at 12:39, Philip Thrift >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 5:16:33 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal