NYTimes.com: Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’?

2023-04-29 Thread John Clark
You can read this article from The New York Times without a subscription. Tap the link to read it, and enjoy quality independent journalism Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’? As labor contract negotiations heat up in Hollywood, unions representing writers and actors seek limits on

Re: Moore's law for Everything

2023-04-29 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 9:06 PM wrote: *> What we seem to need is a Singularity where we get breakthroughs in > materials science, and medicine. I will guess that only when LMM's and > other devices merge with low-error, high capacity quantum computers is when > this will happen.* Practical

Re: NYTimes.com: China Says Chatbots Must Toe the Party Line

2023-04-29 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 9:14 PM wrote > *the greatest human induced killing in human history was Mao's Great > Leap Forward 1958-1962. 45 million dead of starvation, all done from bad > agricultural planning by the CCP.* True. For a few years after the death of chairman Mao China started

Re: Type II/Type III Civilization Search Finds Nothing

2023-04-29 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
My thinking after reading this dissertation is that going for an entire galaxy may not be a prime motivation for conscious beings, even computer ones. A solar system, plus the cloud of comets might, just do the trick? This Dyson Sphere Could Bring Humans Back From the Dead, Researchers Say - The

Re: Type II/Type III Civilization Search Finds Nothing

2023-04-29 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
My view based on what a few astronomers have written, is that we are not yet at the level of placing enough detectors aka telescopes around the solar system, the Oort cloud-Kuiper Belt to detect even big things like Dyson's Spheres. If one goes by why would our kiddies' built it, I'd go with

Re: NYTimes.com: Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’?

2023-04-29 Thread smitra
On 29-04-2023 14:29, John Clark wrote: You can read this article from The New York Times without a subscription. Tap the link to read it, and enjoy quality independent journalism Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’? As labor contract negotiations heat up in Hollywood, unions

Re: NYTimes.com: China Says Chatbots Must Toe the Party Line

2023-04-29 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Xi is basing his politics on Gorbachev and the Soviets. He wants the party to avoid destruction by crushing the middle class internally, and yes, killing America. Not economically, but with nuclear warheads and a continental invasion, eventually.  Ai for Xi is a method for controlling the

Re: NYTimes.com: Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’?

2023-04-29 Thread stathisp
On Sunday, 30 April 2023 at 10:29:20 UTC+10 Jesse Mazer wrote: I think there is plenty of evidence that GPT4 lacks "understanding" in a human-like sense, some good examples of questions that trip it up in this article: https://medium.com/@shlomi.sher/on-artifice-and-intelligence-f19224281bee

Re: NYTimes.com: Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’?

2023-04-29 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 8:29 PM Jesse Mazer wrote: *> The first example they give is the question 'Jack and Jill are sitting > side by side. The person next to Jack is angry. The person next to Jill is > happy. Who is happy, Jack or Jill?' Both GPT3 and GPT4 think Jill is happy.* > A few years

Re: Type II/Type III Civilization Search Finds Nothing

2023-04-29 Thread Lawrence Crowell
Well, we have this sort of cosmic equivalence principle that what is down on Earth is the same up there. Things are screwy here on Earth and we humans are little more than 8 billion trash making ground apes exponentially rampaging out of control. So, should we expect things to be substantially

Re: NYTimes.com: Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’?

2023-04-29 Thread Jason Resch
The extropy chat list has been extensively debating the question of GPTs potential for understanding and consciousness the past several weeks. I'd invite you to check it out if that subject interests anyone here. I cross posted John's post there. Jason On Sat, Apr 29, 2023, 6:10 PM spudboy100

Re: NYTimes.com: Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’?

2023-04-29 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 7:06 PM Jason Resch wrote: *> The extropy chat list has been extensively debating the question of GPTs > potential for understanding and consciousness the past several weeks. I'd > invite you to check it out if that subject interests anyone here.* > I can't. I had been

Re: Type II/Type III Civilization Search Finds Nothing

2023-04-29 Thread Lawrence Crowell
I have noticed a curious upsurge in ideas that involve a little bit of science, some futuristic stuff with a heavy dollop of science fiction ideas that are framed within libertarian or right winged political ideology. Social media has had a big growth in this sort of silliness. I suppose maybe

Re: NYTimes.com: That Famous Black Hole Just Got Even Darker

2023-04-29 Thread Lawrence Crowell
It was sort of training an AI to act more as a Weiner filter. LC On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 6:20:47 AM UTC-5 John Clark wrote: > You can read this article from The New York Times without a subscription. > Tap the link to read it, and enjoy quality independent journalism > > That Famous Black

Re: NYTimes.com: China Says Chatbots Must Toe the Party Line

2023-04-29 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 2:48 PM wrote: *>Xi is basing his politics on Gorbachev and the Soviets. He wants the > party to avoid destruction by crushing the middle class internally,* > OK. > * > and yes, killing America. Not economically, but with nuclear warheads > and a continental invasion,*

Re: NYTimes.com: Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’?

2023-04-29 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 4:28 PM smitra wrote: https://nyti.ms/3VlIBDo#permid=124757243 You say that GPT4 doesn't understand what it is saying, but did you read my post about what happened when Scott Aaronson gave his final exam on Quantum Computers to GPT4? The computer sure acted as if it

Re: NYTimes.com: Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’?

2023-04-29 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
I would have sided with Smitra till last month.  Not to repeat my prev post, but here is a possible model of consciousness not requiring an amygdala, cerebellum, or cerebrum. Nanowire networks learn and remember like a human brain: Human-like intelligence could be physical -- ScienceDaily >From

Re: Moore's law for Everything

2023-04-29 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Yes,John and a month ago, Kurzweil predicted the being of physical immortality via Drexler's medical nanobots. 2030. QC must be the trigger because it's power can only enhance what is the mind. For me, whether conscious or not, I want the machinery to speed up scientific, technological,

Wired for consciousness?

2023-04-29 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
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Re: NYTimes.com: Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’?

2023-04-29 Thread Jesse Mazer
I think there is plenty of evidence that GPT4 lacks "understanding" in a human-like sense, some good examples of questions that trip it up in this article: https://medium.com/@shlomi.sher/on-artifice-and-intelligence-f19224281bee The first example they give is the question 'Jack and Jill are

Re: NYTimes.com: Will a Chatbot Write the Next ‘Succession’?

2023-04-29 Thread Jesse Mazer
I think extended Turing test style discussions are still the best way to define "true understanding". One could exclude all "biographical" questions and just ask about non-personal topics, including hypothetical scenarios like the Jack and Jill question or the pebbles question. If an AI can