Re: The Super-Intelligence (SI) speaks: An imaginary dialogue

2008-09-02 Thread Colin Hales
Hi Folks, I can't throw myself any further into this ... I have to get back in the fray here. However - a couple of quick-ones for Brent and Bruno: COL > the instant the > abstraction happens, from that moment on you know NOTHING about the > current state of the distal environment...all you hav

Re: The Super-Intelligence (SI) speaks: An imaginary dialogue

2008-09-02 Thread marc . geddes
On Sep 2, 6:27 pm, Colin Hales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello again Jesse, > I am going to assume that by trashing computationalism that Marc Geddes > has enough ammo to vitiate Eleizer's various predilections so... to > that end... To make it clear, I'm not trashing computaionalism. I

Re: The Super-Intelligence (SI) speaks: An imaginary dialogue

2008-09-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Sep 2008, at 03:56, Colin Hales wrote: > Computationalism is FALSE in the sense of 'not useful', not false in > the sense of 'wrong'. Remember that if we are machine then we cannot *know* (correctly justify) which machine we are. We can do bets. But comp entails many indirect propos

Re: The Super-Intelligence (SI) speaks: An imaginary dialogue

2008-09-02 Thread Brent Meeker
Colin Hales wrote: > Hello again Jesse, > I am going to assume that by trashing computationalism that Marc Geddes > has enough ammo to vitiate Eleizer's various predilections so... to > that end... > > Your various comments (see below) have a common thread of the form "I > see no reason wh

Re: The Super-Intelligence (SI) speaks: An imaginary dialogue

2008-09-01 Thread Colin Hales
Hello again Jesse, I am going to assume that by trashing computationalism that Marc Geddes has enough ammo to vitiate Eleizer's various predilections so... to that end... Your various comments (see below) have a common thread of the form "I see no reason why you can't ..X.". So let's focus

Re: The Super-Intelligence (SI) speaks: An imaginary dialogue

2008-09-01 Thread Colin Hales
Hi, I'm responding to Jesse at the moment... but to round out...every now and then I give myself the luxury of kcicking the received view in the butt ... to try and get it to wake up. I'll go away shortly :-) Deep blue doesn't know it's a chess program, doesn't know what chess is, doesn

Re: The Super-Intelligence (SI) speaks: An imaginary dialogue

2008-09-01 Thread marc . geddes
On Sep 2, 1:56 pm, Colin Hales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Marc, > > */Eliezer/*'s hubris about a Bayesian approach to intelligence is > nothing more than the usual 'metabelief' about a mathematics... or about > computation... meant in the sense that "cognition is computation", where > compu

RE: The Super-Intelligence (SI) speaks: An imaginary dialogue

2008-09-01 Thread Jesse Mazer
Colin Hales wrote: > > Hi! > Assumptions assumption assumptionstake a look: You said: > > "Why would you say that? Computer simulations can certainly produce results > you didn't already know about, just look at genetic algorithms." > > OK. here's the rub... "You didn't already know abou

Re: The Super-Intelligence (SI) speaks: An imaginary dialogue

2008-09-01 Thread Colin Hales
Hi! Assumptions assumption assumptionstake a look: You said: "Why would you say that? Computer simulations can certainly produce results you didn't already know about, just look at genetic algorithms." OK. here's the rub... /"You didn't already know about..."/. Just exactly 'who' (the 'you')

RE: The Super-Intelligence (SI) speaks: An imaginary dialogue

2008-09-01 Thread Jesse Mazer
Colin Hales wrote: > Computationalism is FALSE in the sense that it cannot be used to construct a > scientist. > A scientist deals with the UNKNOWN. > If you could compute a scientist you would already know everything! Science > would be impossible. > So you can 'compute/simulate' a scientist,

Re: The Super-Intelligence (SI) speaks: An imaginary dialogue

2008-09-01 Thread Colin Hales
Hi Marc, */Eliezer/*'s hubris about a Bayesian approach to intelligence is nothing more than the usual 'metabelief' about a mathematics... or about computation... meant in the sense that "cognition is computation", where computation is done BY the universe (with the material of the universe us