Re: BH question

On Saturday, November 9, 2019 at 6:29:02 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > Look at Greg Egan's page on this: > https://www.gregegan.net/SCIENCE/FiniteFall/FiniteFall.html#HOR > > Brent > very strange [image: Photo of Greg Egan, science fiction writer] SF writer Greg Egan @philipthrift --

Re: BH question

On 11/9/2019 4:12 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Friday, November 8, 2019 at 5:05:31 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/7/2019 10:42 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 10:54:33 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/7/2019 8:43 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On

Re: BH question

On Friday, November 8, 2019 at 5:05:31 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/7/2019 10:42 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 10:54:33 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/7/2019 8:43 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 5:20:13 PM

Re: BH question

On 11/7/2019 10:42 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 10:54:33 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/7/2019 8:43 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 5:20:13 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/7/2019 4:06 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:

Re: BH question

On Friday, November 8, 2019 at 12:42:40 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > >> You don't see a problem with a theory that predicts a clock which stops >> as seen by an outside observer, when the observer using the clock, which >> measures proper time, must see it moving forward? AG >> >> >>

Re: BH question

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 10:54:33 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/7/2019 8:43 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 5:20:13 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/7/2019 4:06 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 11:41:11

Re: BH question

On 11/7/2019 8:43 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 5:20:13 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/7/2019 4:06 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 11:41:11 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/6/2019 10:31 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On

Re: BH question

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 5:20:13 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/7/2019 4:06 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 11:41:11 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 11/6/2019 10:31 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 11:20:23 PM

Re: BH question

On 11/7/2019 4:06 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 11:41:11 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/6/2019 10:31 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 11:20:23 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/6/2019 9:00 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On

Re: BH question

On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 11:41:11 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > On 11/6/2019 10:31 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 11:20:23 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 11/6/2019 9:00 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 7:17:21 PM UTC-7,

Re: BH question

On 11/6/2019 10:31 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 11:20:23 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/6/2019 9:00 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 7:17:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/6/2019 4:44 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:

Re: BH question

On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 11:20:23 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/6/2019 9:00 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 7:17:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/6/2019 4:44 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at

Re: BH question

On 11/6/2019 9:00 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 7:17:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/6/2019 4:44 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 3:46:54 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/6/2019 12:05 AM, Alan Grayson wrote:

Re: BH question

On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 7:17:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/6/2019 4:44 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 3:46:54 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/6/2019 12:05 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 10:23:58

Re: BH question

On 11/6/2019 4:44 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 3:46:54 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/6/2019 12:05 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 10:23:58 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/5/2019 9:09 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:

Re: BH question

On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 3:46:54 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/6/2019 12:05 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 10:23:58 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/5/2019 9:09 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> Crossing the horizon is a nonevent for the most

Re: BH question

On 11/6/2019 3:28 PM, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 6:12 PM 'Brent Meeker' v> wrote: Black Holes: Complementarity or Firewalls? They say a inertial observer would encounter a

Re: BH question

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 6:12 PM 'Brent Meeker' v< everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: Black Holes: Complementarity or Firewalls? >> >> They say a inertial observer would encounter a firewall and burn up as >> soon as he passed the Event Horizon, do you

Re: BH question

On 11/6/2019 4:38 AM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:03 PM Lawrence Crowell > wrote: >if you fall on an inertial frame inwards there is nothing unusual at the horizon[of a Black Hole] That's what everybody thought until 2012

Re: BH question

On 11/6/2019 12:05 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 10:23:58 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/5/2019 9:09 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: Crossing the horizon is a nonevent for the most part. If you try to accelerate so you hover just above it the time

Re: BH question

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:03 PM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: >if you fall on an inertial frame inwards there is nothing unusual at the > horizon [of a Black Hole] That's what everybody thought until 2012 when a paper appeared that through some doubt on that

Re: BH question

On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 10:23:58 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/5/2019 9:09 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > Crossing the horizon is a nonevent for the most part. If you try to >> accelerate so you hover just above it the time dilation and that you are in >> an extreme Rindler wedge

Re: BH question

On 11/5/2019 9:09 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: Crossing the horizon is a nonevent for the most part. If you try to accelerate so you hover just above it the time dilation and that you are in an extreme Rindler wedge will mean you are subjected to a torrent of radiation. In

Re: BH question

On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 6:03:02 PM UTC-7, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 8:22:54 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 6:46:46 AM UTC-7, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >>> >>> On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 7:56:55 PM UTC-6, Alan

Re: BH question

On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 8:22:54 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 6:46:46 AM UTC-7, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 7:56:55 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> According to QM, does time stop at the event horizon of a BH?

Re: BH question

On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 6:46:46 AM UTC-7, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 7:56:55 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> According to QM, does time stop at the event horizon of a BH? TIA, AG >> > > There is no time on the horizon for particle geodesics on the

Re: BH question

On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 7:56:55 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > According to QM, does time stop at the event horizon of a BH? TIA, AG > There is no time on the horizon for particle geodesics on the horizon. These can only be photons, which as null geodesic particles have zero proper

Re: BH question

On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 6:56:55 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: > > According to QM, does time stop at the event horizon of a BH? TIA, AG > Sorry; I meant according to GR. AG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To