Re: Come Again?
m.a. and Jason go into philosophy. Firstly: eternal is not a time limit, not even with that questionable figment of "time" we use in our imaging about our universe (for visualizing a 'physical' system). Secondly it does not seem so safe to step out from our restricted and widely accepted solipsism of the so far learned (partially un-understood?) 'physical world' figments - using those terms we deduced from within such system (oscillatory, holographic, etc.). Thirdly: with infinite (not a number) ingredients potentially participating in unlimited Big Bangs (if we suppose such at all in terms of our yesterday's physical knowledge) in unrestricted topical variations - the probability (pardon me for that word what I find immaterial) of a TOTAL match between such events is negligible (call it zero?) And to Jason's "Lastly": I salute your indecisiveness about the term 'time' and its consequences, relativity or not. John M On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 8:47 PM, m.a. wrote: > >> Given modern physics and cosmology, does Nietzsche's idea of "eternal >> return" have any validity?m.a. >> >> -- > > > In a few ways I think it could be argued that it does. One is the > oscillatory universe idea, which will happen if the mass of the universe is > below a certain threshold or if the expansion rate is not constant and will > decrease. Currently it seems to be accelerating, however. It is theorized > (I think by Loop Quantum Gravity or string theory) that at a point when all > the matter in the universe comes to a single point (or close to that) > gravity will momentarily reverse and cause a new expansion. According to > the holographic principle, there is a finite number of ways the matter in a > finite volume of space can be arranged, so eventually the pattern will > repeat. > > Also, by eternal inflation you could say there are an infinite number of > big-bangs, and again some of them would be duplicates of the observable > universe. > > Lastly, you might argue that relativity's proposal of a 4-dimensional > space-time means we are always in every moment, which perhaps has similar > implications to the idea of living every moment of one's life an infinite > number of times. > > Jason > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Come Again?
On 17 Feb 2011, at 04:39, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 8:47 PM, m.a. wrote: Given modern physics and cosmology, does Nietzsche's idea of "eternal return" have any validity?m.a. -- In a few ways I think it could be argued that it does. One is the oscillatory universe idea, which will happen if the mass of the universe is below a certain threshold or if the expansion rate is not constant and will decrease. Currently it seems to be accelerating, however. It is theorized (I think by Loop Quantum Gravity or string theory) that at a point when all the matter in the universe comes to a single point (or close to that) gravity will momentarily reverse and cause a new expansion. According to the holographic principle, there is a finite number of ways the matter in a finite volume of space can be arranged, so eventually the pattern will repeat. Also, by eternal inflation you could say there are an infinite number of big-bangs, and again some of them would be duplicates of the observable universe. Lastly, you might argue that relativity's proposal of a 4- dimensional space-time means we are always in every moment, which perhaps has similar implications to the idea of living every moment of one's life an infinite number of times. And in UD-time (defined by the computing steps of the UD) eternal return is guarantied. Nothing is more repeating and innovating than the super-redundant UD* (which makes hope for the elimination of the WR, by inflation of normal "worlds"). people can look at the Mandelbrot set, also. Of course, this is not "given modern physics". It is "given digital mechanism". Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Come Again?
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 8:47 PM, m.a. wrote: > Given modern physics and cosmology, does Nietzsche's idea of "eternal > return" have any validity?m.a. > > -- In a few ways I think it could be argued that it does. One is the oscillatory universe idea, which will happen if the mass of the universe is below a certain threshold or if the expansion rate is not constant and will decrease. Currently it seems to be accelerating, however. It is theorized (I think by Loop Quantum Gravity or string theory) that at a point when all the matter in the universe comes to a single point (or close to that) gravity will momentarily reverse and cause a new expansion. According to the holographic principle, there is a finite number of ways the matter in a finite volume of space can be arranged, so eventually the pattern will repeat. Also, by eternal inflation you could say there are an infinite number of big-bangs, and again some of them would be duplicates of the observable universe. Lastly, you might argue that relativity's proposal of a 4-dimensional space-time means we are always in every moment, which perhaps has similar implications to the idea of living every moment of one's life an infinite number of times. Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Come Again?
Given modern physics and cosmology, does Nietzsche's idea of "eternal return" have any validity?m.a. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
