On 9/20/05, Stathis Papaioannou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 19th September 2005 Marc Geddes writes:>Here's a speculation:> The model I'm working with for my theory seems to suggest 3 different
>fundamental kinds of 'cause and effect'.> The first is physical causality - motion of physical objec
On 9/20/05, Pete Carlton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sep 19, 2005, at 1:00 AM, Marc Geddes wrote:> Here's a speculation:>> The model I'm working with for my theory seems to suggest 3
> different fundamental kinds of 'cause and effect'.>> The first is physical causality - motion of physical objec
Marc,
The most noticeable characteristic of what mental causality may amount to,
seems to be the causal or quasi-causal play of decisions, achievements,
satisfactions, understandings, etc., in terms of the logical & evidentiary
dependences among them, and between each of them and other thi
On 19th September 2005 Marc Geddes writes:
Here's a speculation:
The model I'm working with for my theory seems to suggest 3 different
fundamental kinds of 'cause and effect'.
The first is physical causality - motion of physical objects through
space.
The second is mental causality - agents
Its a different mode of description. Physics does not describe the
subjective state. Also, causation no. 2 appears to work in the
opposite direction to causation no. 1.
Cheers
On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 06:01:45PM -0700, Pete Carlton wrote:
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> On Sep 19, 2005, at 1:00 AM, Marc Geddes wrote:
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On Sep 19, 2005, at 1:00 AM, Marc Geddes wrote:
Here's a speculation:
The model I'm working with for my theory seems to suggest 3
different fundamental kinds of 'cause and effect'.
The first is physical causality - motion of physical objects
through space.
The second is mental causality
ication in logic?
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> Kindest regards,
>
> Stephen
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> From: Marc Geddes
> To: everything-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 4:36 AM
> Subject: Re: More than one kind of 'causality'?
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one kind of
'causality'?
Yes, my first proposed kind of causation is indeed the usual physics
kind of causation.
I'm not sure that you understood my second proposed kind of
causation - a choice made by a teleological agent (like humans)
which affects the tel
Yes, my first proposed kind of causation is indeed the usual physics kind of causation.
I'm not sure that you understood my second proposed kind of causation - a choice made by a teleological agent (like humans) which affects the teleology (process of moving towards one's goals) of other agents.
OK - the first is the usual sort of cause used in Physics, or material
cause. The second is sometimes known as downward causation, or
efficient causation. The third one, though I'm struggling with. Is it
the same as my "circular causation", sort of first and final casuation
rolled into one?
Cheers
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