Re: Quantum suicide without suicide

2003-01-10 Thread George Levy
Hi Brent. Brent Meeker wrote: I don't understand the point of this modification. The idea of QS was to arrange that in all possible worlds in which I exist, I'm rich. If it's just a matter of being rich in a few and not rich in the rest, I don't need any QS. Yes but you only want

Re: Quantum Suicide without suicide

2003-01-10 Thread George Levy
This is a reply to Eric Hawthorne and Tim May. Eric Hawthorne wrote: >George Levy wrote: Conclusions: All this involves really basic probability theory. The first person perspective probability is identical to the probability conditional to the person staying alive. >But tha

Re: Quantum Suicide without suicide

2003-01-10 Thread Tim May
On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 08:22 PM, George Levy wrote: OK. Let's consider the case of the guy dying of cancer and playing the stock market simultaneously.. In real life, the hard part is to get meaningful probability data. For the sake of the argument let's assume the following scenari

Re: Quantum Suicide without suicide

2003-01-09 Thread Eric Hawthorne
George Levy wrote: Conclusions: All this involves really basic probability theory. The first person perspective probability is identical to the probability conditional to the person staying alive. But that first-person probability is not objective, and not valid, and not useful. Consider thi

Re: Quantum Suicide without suicide

2003-01-09 Thread George Levy
Tim May wrote: From: Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 1:22:32 PM US/Pacific To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Quantum suicide without suicide On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 12:32 PM, George Levy wrote: As you can see, suicide is not necessary. One could be on

Re: Quantum suicide without suicide

2003-01-09 Thread Tim May
From: Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 1:22:32 PM US/Pacific To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Quantum suicide without suicide On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 12:32 PM, George Levy wrote: As you can see, suicide is not necessary. One could be on death row - in other

Re: Quantum suicide without suicide

2003-01-09 Thread George Levy
Thanks Bruno, for your comments, I fully agree with you. Let me add a few comments for Tim and Scerir Tim May wrote: Consider this thought experiment: Alice is facing her quantum mechanics exam at Berkeley. She sees two main approaches to take. First, study hard and try to answer all of th

Re: Quantum suicide without suicide

2003-01-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
Tim May wrote On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 10:58 AM, George Levy wrote: In the original verision of Quantum Suicide (QS), as understood in this list, the experimenter sets up a suicide machine that kills him if the world does not conform to his wishes. Hence, in the branching many-wor

Re: Quantum suicide without suicide

2003-01-08 Thread scerir
[Tim May] All indications are that there are virtually no worlds in which random guessers do well. Lev Vaidman wrote that we must care about all our 'successive' worlds in proportion to their measures of existence [Behavior Principle]. He does not agree to play the 'quantum Russian roulette'

Re: Quantum suicide without suicide

2003-01-08 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 10:58 AM, George Levy wrote: In the original verision of Quantum Suicide (QS), as understood in this list, the experimenter sets up a suicide machine that kills him if the world does not conform to his wishes. Hence, in the branching many-worlds, his conscio